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Re: service manual [engineer al] by mmm1
Jun 24, 2008 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: engineer al (Jun 20, 2008 7:57 am)

In my previous response and question to you I should have said that the service manual that I asked you about is also on CD.
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Most dangerous car on the road! by priggly
Jun 29, 2008 (7:36 am)
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The "smart" scores at the very bottom of the informedforlife.org safety rankings with a deplorable score of 162.
 
http://www.informedforlife.org/demos/FCKeditor/UserFiles/File/1MasterSCOREr.pdf
 
It is a deathtrap on wheels. You can't repeal the laws of physics with clever merchandising.
 
Govern yourselves accordingly.
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Re: Most dangerous car on the road! [priggly] by scwmcan
Jun 29, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Jun 29, 2008 7:36 am)

Obviously you didn't look closer, it seems most of the large to medium pickups and SUV's scored much worse that the smart, what deathtraps those must be, just because you don't like it don't try to scare people away from trying it. Also from the data it would seem the largest strike against the smart (I didn't look through the whole list to find it, very poorly laid out site BTW) would be that it weighs less than other cars, it's safety ratings are as good as most other cars (can't say in it's size class because there really aren't any others). In any case stop trying to use scare tactics. It is NOT the most dangerous vehicule on the road even by your links standards (and who are these people anyway and what makes their opinion mean anything?)
Also you need to check a little closer yourself, the smart scored 131 mostly due to it's weight being factored into the frontal impact score, so sorry your argument is dismissed (it is the chevy HHR that has a worse score below it for 2008 models BTW)
Scott
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Re: Most dangerous car on the road! [scwmcan] by priggly
Jun 29, 2008 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Jun 29, 2008 11:32 am)

The 2009 "smart" has a score of 162, not 131, which applied to the 2008 model. The frontal impact fatality risk points are 94.3, the HIGHEST of any vehicle in the list. The reason the trucks and SUV's have relatively high scores is because of their propensity to roll over, otherwise they score relatively well.
 
The informedforlife.org is a credible organization headed by an engineer who got tired of seeing the highway carnage caused by unsafe vehicles. For a summary of the founder's credentials, refer to the "About Us" section. The scores are comprehensive, objective and unbiased and, unlike other highway safety analyses, take into consideration all known safety factors pertaining to a vehicle. The data is updated when more current information becomes available and as of this date was updated only yesterday, June 28th. These factors in my book makes their data the best available in determining the comparative safety standings for cars.
 
The weight of the car in a crash is very much a factor in determining whether it is safe or not and correlates closely with driver and passenger morbidity and mortality statistics. Unfortunately, in the real world the car won't be driven on roads shared only by vehicles which are its size peers but by all vehicles, including those weighing 3,000 to 4,000 lb. and above.
 
The data is not meant to "scare people" as you state. It is meant to inform them and keep them alive should they suffer the misfortune of being involved in a motor vehicle accident. Just because you prefer the most dangerous car in the survey doesn't mean that everyone does. People should have the complete facts before them in deciding on a vehicle purchase. Informedforlife.org provides a valuable service in providing the most complete picture presently available of whether a vehicle is safe or not compared to its peers. Try not to be so defensive. If you wish to ignore the facts, that is up to you. As for me, I would rather have all the safety data available before making a decision to purchase one vehicle over another because in the final analysis it is safety which is the most important feature of any car.
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Re: Most dangerous car on the road! [priggly] by gregg_vw
Jun 30, 2008 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Jun 29, 2008 12:05 pm)

What the hell is your problem? You call the smart a "death trap" and go on about how you are trying to "inform" people. Why? Like people don't know the smart is a small and light vehicle?
 
Is everyone supposed to ditch their older small cars which test even worse than the smart? Are urban cars to be forbidden? Should motor cycles, scooters and bicycles be outlawed because they are so much more unsafe than the smart?
 
Safety is NOT necessarily the most important feature of any car. It depends on who is doing the shopping. You don't want a smart. I get that. Now please shut up.
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Re: Most dangerous car on the road! [gregg_vw] by sbonhartwell
Jun 30, 2008 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jun 30, 2008 4:48 am)

PLUS, The Insurance Institute rates it as one of the safest cars in most of the categories. Insurance companies no longer charge higher premiums because they finally investigated and found it to be safer than most of the vehicles they insure.
 
Sam
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Re: Most dangerous car on the road! [priggly] by scwmcan
Jun 30, 2008 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Jun 29, 2008 12:05 pm)

I am not the one being defensive, it is you who are being defensive. And yes YOU were using scare tactics, I never said the data was wrong (though I still question it's real world validity). And why would the 2009 smart have a higher risk than the 2008 the are the same car with no changes between them so therefore yes I do question the numbers. Is there data to back up the numbers (i.e. real world death and injury rates for each car) ? if not they have just put numbers into a calculation to make them say what they want them too, so sorry I still don't buy their numbers, the crash tests have been done and the smart is safe, it has been tested against larger cars and done well as well ( by Mercedes), and in the real world it has been in accidents with trucks and the passengers have been able to walk away with bruises. Is it as safe a larger car with the same safety features, maybe not (but due to the design of the car maybe it is better than you think), it is by no means a death trap as you stated though. I think your link places too much emphasis on the weight of the car, and this is just not for the smart, there are other factors besides weight that are important, and I think the people buying the car are aware that it is smaller and lighter than anything else currently on the road, they are also aware that in all safety tests the car has performed well (despite it's weight). Also I think you will find that the next generation of cars and trucks are going to be smaller and lighter, are you going to be afraid of them as well. BTW the smarts numbers a great except for when weight was taken into consideration, I find the site was misleading by saying that there were concerns with the NHSTA tests when the tests were passed with flying colors but when this site factored in weight the tests were a concern, that is what I call manipulating data to come to a predetermined conclusion regardless of real world results.
Scott
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by dennismau
Jun 30, 2008 (7:31 am)
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It might be true that a Hummer is safer in a collision than a Smart car but the problem is we are running out of gas and it is getting more expensive day by day. The simple fact is VERY soon we are all going to be driving smaller and more economical vehicles. Americans are going to HAVE to change their thinking that they have to drive the very biggest car they can to be safe. Europe has already changed and we will have to also. Take a good long look at the Smart car. It's the future and it's coming sooner than you think.
 
Dennis
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Re: Most dangerous car on the road! [gregg_vw] by priggly
Jun 30, 2008 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jun 30, 2008 4:48 am)

My problem is rude posters like you whose communication skills are limited to phrases like "shut up." How pathetic. Enjoy your death trap, greggie.
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Re: Most dangerous car on the road! [scwmcan] by priggly
Jun 30, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Jun 30, 2008 5:14 am)

It is obvious that you are too emotionally biased to be able to objectively evaluate the material that informedforlife.org makes available.

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