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Re: Oil drain [plekto]
by gregg_vw
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Jun 06, 2008 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 05, 2008 3:32 pm)
One does not have to do those early oil changes anymore. In fact, VW insists that you do not. The first oil change should go the length recommended with no shortening. They believe this contributes to better engine break-in, seating and longevity. You have to remember the tolerances in a modern engine are extremely tight...the fine metal, grit and gunk of older engines has been eliminated.
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Re: Oil drain [gregg_vw]
by dmathews3
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Jun 06, 2008 (4:47 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jun 06, 2008 4:36 am)
True and some manufacturers put in a special oil or additives just to help the break in process.
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- #260 of 491
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Re: Oil drain [dmathews3]
by plekto
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Jun 06, 2008 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Jun 06, 2008 4:47 am)
But we're talking about the FourTwo here. As far as I know, they're giving us a normal 3 cylinder engine and pushing us out on the road.(ie - the engine appears to be whatever they could stuff into it, technology-wise and not something made specifically by Mercedes) Given how easy the thing seems to be to change oil, changing it an extra time or two at the beginning seems to be a good idea.
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Re: Oil drain [plekto]
by gregg_vw
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Jun 06, 2008 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 06, 2008 10:14 am)
But not if you are not supposed to. All engines are different these days than from back when 3K oil changes were recommended. If the engine breaks in better with what the manufacturer installs the first time, why would you dump that and risk things not seating right? Not to mention the unnecessary waste of the oil.
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Re: Oil drain [gregg_vw]
by dmathews3
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Jun 06, 2008 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jun 06, 2008 11:41 am)
Some people still think this is 1960 and don't want to move up into the current times. AM and 8 tracks are dead and so is changing oil at 50 miles.
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Re: Oil drain [gregg_vw]
by plekto
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Jun 06, 2008 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jun 06, 2008 11:41 am)
The thing is, that with new engines, 75% of seating the rings happens in the first 50 miles. After that, the bits that were taken off - that fine grained metal dust - is floating around in the oil causing wear to the other parts. This is as you might imagine, not a very good thing.
Technically you don't need to change the oil. You need to change the *filter* so that it isn't half-clogged with these particles. And yes, the oil that comes out from the first change usually has grit in it that you can actually feel if you rub it between your fingers.
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Re: Oil drain [plekto]
by gregg_vw
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Jun 07, 2008 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 06, 2008 2:06 pm)
One last time...that used to be true. It ain't anymore. If you want to change your oil at 50 mi, be my guest. But I will do what is recommended to take care of and extend the life of my new engine longest. If I am supposed to leave in the factory oil mix for x miles, there is an engineering reason for it. "It stands to reason" and other arguments don't apply. If you do not know why there are now recommendations against early oil changes, then why not find out?.
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Oil drain
by mmm1
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Jun 07, 2008 (1:13 pm)
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I would still appreciate knowing if Mobil 1 is recommended by the manufacturer or if it is a personal preference. Thanks.
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Re: Oil drain [gregg_vw]
by dennismau
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Jun 07, 2008 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jun 07, 2008 6:13 am)
I always change the oil in my new cars at 1000 K miles for the reason of metal bits and particles floating around in the oil. I changed the oil in my new Smart Car at 1200 miles and it was full of fine metal particles. Now you can not tell me if you leave those in the engine for 10 K miles that they are not going to damage the engine. I say change that new car oil at 1 K miles and be safe!
Dennis
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Mobil 1
by scottl
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Jun 07, 2008 (10:52 pm)
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Mobil 1 is 'recommended' by smart per this press release:
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS130408+07-Apr-2008+BW20080407
If you read it carefully, the reality is that Mobil 1 may or may not be what the factory puts in the car. However, synthetic is definitely recommended. The smart takes only 3.5 quarts for an oil and filter change, and the recommended interval is 10,000 miles. I would never let MY car go 10,000 miles, but maybe you would.
The engine is the 2008 smart is made by Mitsubishi. The filter is a Mitsubishi filter. smart puts their name on it and charges over $20 for it. Yeah, right. There are many alternatives. None cost over $8.
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