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Re: Happy I sold mine [dunepearl] by gregg_vw
Apr 07, 2008 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: dunepearl (Apr 06, 2008 4:39 pm)

Please. It may not be for you, and it is good you were able to get something else without taking a bath. However, it will not be "toast," because there is going to be a market for a small urban runabout (with all the accompanying compromises), because it is not completely about mileage. Nothing else on the market is anywhere near close to being as small. That is its selling point, and one the hybrid diesel VW will not have.
 
There are plenty of happy smart car owners. They were just not looking at the same attributes as you. There will continue to be a niche market for the smart, but no, it will not supplant sales of other high mileage subcompacts. I think some folks ordered it for its uniqueness factor and did not seriously consider the shortcomings of a car that is shorter overall than the wheelbase of most subcompacts.
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The ZAP Smart Fortwo by ironmike59
Apr 07, 2008 (1:43 pm)
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I've seen several on the road around DC this past month. They were so small it was hard to believe something like this got past Nadar. I read a little about it and, from what I read, interest in MPG, I find it probably ranks 2nd or 3rd behind slightly larger vehicles that get nearly the same MPG. I have on 05 Honda Civic Hybrid (5 speed manual trans) which I drive 79 miles one way carrying approximately 800 pounds of human flesh (4 MEN) out of WV to DC. As long as I maintain RPMs climbing out of and into Charles Town on 340 I have not problem. I have gotten as high as 49 MPG and as low as 42 MPG with an average of 45. MPG is more affected by termperature then speed. Honda is willing to RUN once optimum RPM is attained. Honda cost 19K - Fortwo cost 12K. I guess it depends on the person. Fortwo will probably sell to singles or people who choose to commute by themselves. I'd have to drive one before I could make any other assessment.
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Re: Happy I sold mine [scwmcan] by dunepearl
Apr 07, 2008 (3:25 pm)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Apr 07, 2008 9:08 am)

Very squirrely on highway over 60mph. Rattles and wind noise. 34mpg requiring premium.
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Re: Happy I sold mine [dunepearl] by scwmcan
Apr 08, 2008 (3:54 am)
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Replying to: dunepearl (Apr 07, 2008 3:25 pm)

Well these are things you should probably noticed on the test drive (except of course the milage) so you shold have known before the pruchase, but since you didn't notice I will just say sorry that you didn't and glad that you are happy to have gotten rid of it, it is probably for the best.
Scott
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smart by walterquint
Apr 08, 2008 (7:10 pm)
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Well, I've never had anything flattering to say about the smart car. However, I don't necessarily want the car to fail.
 
The "poor" safety ratings noted above aren't really all that bad. The driver side did well. What worries me, however, is the Ins Instit for Hwy Safety hasn't tested it yet--and their test is the more rigorous offset frontal impact. However, many of you have seen the recent British video of a smart car rammed into a barrier at 70mph. It came away ok. (That was not an instrumented test, however.)
 
They shoulda made the car a foot longer. They shoulda given it more power and a genuine stick shift. They shoulda designed it to run on regular gas. They shoulda given it a killer warranty.
 
But in the end, the car just isn't delivering on its fuel economy promise. You can only survive on being "cute" for so long before you gotta start delivering. Just ask any child star!!
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Re: smart [walterquint] by scwmcan
Apr 09, 2008 (3:53 am)
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Replying to: walterquint (Apr 08, 2008 7:10 pm)

I have to agree about the fuel econmy, which is why I am considering a used diesel smart up here in Canada, I just don't think the new model is efficient enough fo me to change from my current car. I really think smart should have held off introducing the car into the states until the diesel and other varients of the car were ready for that market. Right now it is elling on cute and novelty (as well as some economy benifits) but there are people who will be disappointed with the milage and not come back no matte how good the rest of the car may or may not be,
Just MHO
Scott
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Re: smart [walterquint] by gregg_vw
Apr 09, 2008 (5:07 am)
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Replying to: walterquint (Apr 08, 2008 7:10 pm)

Sorry. A foot longer and then there is no possibility of parking nose to curb between other cars. A foot longer and then a small back seat would be called for. A foot longer and it is a different animal. They already stretched it almost 8 inches when bringing it here. What you want is another sort of car.
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Re: smart [scwmcan] by subienewbie2
Apr 09, 2008 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Apr 09, 2008 3:53 am)

I canceled my order yesterday. With its under-whelming MPG (my TDI Beetle does better and has a back seat and has the cute factor as well) and that joke of a transmission - I came too my senses and decided my TDI is cool enough.
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Re: smart [gregg_vw] by subienewbie2
Apr 09, 2008 (6:14 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Apr 09, 2008 5:07 am)

The 8 inches they added will in most cases not allow for nose in parking. The car sticks out too far. Also, it is illegal in most towns and cities in this country.
 
Your right about the extra foot. In europe it is Smart For Four and its been on the market for a few years..
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Re: smart [gregg_vw] by walterquint
Apr 09, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Apr 09, 2008 5:07 am)

Yes, try parking "nose to curb" in Boston and you'll be looking at a 60 buck ticket. The meter maids will not be amused. Nor will the bicyclists who will clip the precious inches that do stick out.
 
The smart is RWD, which is necessary for superior handling. However, it's just too short and stubby to take advantage of it. It needs that extra foot.
 
You can buy RWD wind-up cars in any dollar store. Most look remarkably like the smart car; tall and stubby. But you release them on the kitchen linoleum and they spin all over the place. That's what scares me about the smart car.
 
The extra foot would not be for 2 extra seats. It would be for cargo and increased utility. And maybe a dog or cat carrier.

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