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Re: 2008 Smart Passion Owner Comments [scwmcan] by tiff_c
Mar 24, 2008 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Mar 24, 2008 6:27 am)

Well I am a Canadian, and as I said I have heard different opinions than this one, found another link from a real world test in Ottawa conditions, so as I said opinions seem to vary, I think I would just need to see for myself.
 
Good link, They did in fact mention the 2006 Traction test that I linked to and I believe it's the same one.
I was unaware that it failed the Moose test, so much for autocross.
Also they didn't spend much time discussing how good it was in the snow, not considering the articles title.
I figure it this way, if it was good in the snow they'd be very happy to discuss it at length and not just a few lines. Overall they panned the car and while it might actually be a good little car. I think until owners are posting about their own experiences in the snow there isn't any way to be certain if it's good or not.
I hope if you get one it's good in the snow.
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Smart cars in the snow by tiff_c
Mar 24, 2008 (11:17 am)
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Just for fun, the first one the snow is like our unplowed roads up here where I am but with hills.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ87pJpz4Ik&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HMmixk35kg
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8POixMxNVdU
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiSSuqSgb8&feature=related
 
Oh and whatever you do, don't try a J-Turn in a SmartQ!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uOoMVlTd1g&feature=related
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Re: Smart cars in the snow [tiff_c] by scwmcan
Mar 24, 2008 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 24, 2008 11:17 am)

Well to be fair to the smart it doesn't look like the one in the first video had snows on, and I know my current mazda 3 would not be much better in that ind of snow with it's all seasons on (from experience this year). But it does look like deep snow wouldn't be great for the smart (and I would not be surprised by that either). Thankfully the major roads are kept much cleaner than this so it would noly be a problem getting down the side street to my house (which doesn't normally get plowed unitl at least a day after the storm (if alt all). But of course someone with an SUV almost aways puts ruts into the piles of snow. In any case thanks for the well wishes about the smart if I get one (if I do it will be a used diesel model instead of the new gas model, I like many don't see enough advantage in fuel milage with the gas model). I will also probably keep either my mazda or the old ford ranger pick-up I have for days when I know there is going to be a storm anyway (provided I can afford to keep the Mazda too it will be that choice for the extra seating and utility for when I need them too) so hopefully I won't need to worry about the snow capabilities too much.
I hope all the curent owners will be happy with them in the snow (though I hope they don't need to find out this year, we've had enough already ).
Scott
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Re: Smart cars in the snow [scwmcan] by tiff_c
Mar 24, 2008 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Mar 24, 2008 11:34 am)

Well to be fair to the smart it doesn't look like the one in the first video had snows on, and I know my current mazda 3 would not be much better in that kind of snow with it's all seasons on (from experience this year).
 
Hey Youtube had only so many videos of Smarts in the snow. It's just for fun anyway. If someone would decide on buying a car based on stuff like that alone they're crazy.
Also my Civic has gone up hills like the first video with no snows but it wasn't fun or quick. With snows, no drama.
You are so lucky to be able to buy a diesel version, not here in the US tho.
I think as a good weather car it would be ok. Nasty weather is a problem for most cars.
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Re: Smart cars in the snow [tiff_c] by scwmcan
Mar 24, 2008 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 24, 2008 11:41 am)

I agree, nasty weather if I can I will stay home, I just think my life is worth more than one days pay. And even if I think I am a good driver in the snow (or at least above average) it doesn't stop one of the other thousands of drivers out there from smashing into me at high speed in their SUV.
I know I am lucky to be able to choose a diesel (even if it is used and not new, no new diesels up here either).
I still think that smart should have sped up the introduction of other power plants for the US, so they would be available at launch, I am afraid that people will buy them because they think they are great on gas, and after they find out they aren't as efficient as they look like they should be will give up on the cars altogether, I think smart may not be so smart in this case (I think people would have rather bought a smart with 60 mpg capabilities than 40 is what I mean). They only have one chance to make a first impression after all.
Scott
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Re: Smart cars in the snow [tiff_c] by snakeweasel
Mar 24, 2008 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 24, 2008 11:17 am)

To be fair I have seen many a car (some I was driving myself) stuck in those conditions.
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Re: Smart cars in the snow [scwmcan] by tiff_c
Mar 24, 2008 (9:44 pm)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Mar 24, 2008 12:34 pm)

I know I am lucky to be able to choose a diesel (even if it is used and not new, no new diesels up here either).
I still think that smart should have sped up the introduction of other power plants for the US, so they would be available at launch, I am afraid that people will buy them because they think they are great on gas, and after they find out they aren't as efficient as they look like they should be will give up on the cars altogether,

 
I think the car will be a hit just like the Plymouth Prowler was.
Once everyone has a cut and cheap convertible that wants one sales will plummet.
Now if you really want to see something cool, that gets 100mpg and makes more sense than a Smart this is it!
http://www.flytheroad.com/
They have some cool videos on there and to be honest if this thing is available this summer i will most likely buy one. The Smart is like $16K and gets mediocre economy the Venture gets 100mpg and is just as practical and looks way more fun!
Plus 0-60mph is 7 seconds. hard to beat that.
I hope the smart succeeds, but I think it will need some changes/updates to the tranny and maybe the diesel option.
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Re: Smart cars in the snow [tiff_c] by scwmcan
Mar 25, 2008 (3:41 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 24, 2008 9:44 pm)

That is an interesting concecpt, lets see if they actually get into production, and if the safety and handling are really there (and the cost is as low as sugested) also I would want to see if they managed to stay in business for more than two years before I even considered one. I'd also have to see some crash tests that are performed to car standards (I have a feeling this will be marketed and registered as a motorcycle somehow, so it doesn't have to meet crash protection standards for cars, not that it might not be safe, I'd just want to see actual cras test data first).
As for the smart I agree with the current gas engine that it could be like the prowler, that is why I said they should have had a different power package available at launch, they apparently have prototypes of hybrid, and all electric version as well as the diesel, at least one of these should hav been offered at launch in addition to the gas engine, I think it would have made a better long term bussiness case that way.
Scott
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Re: Smart cars in the snow [tiff_c] by gregg_vw
Mar 25, 2008 (4:52 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 24, 2008 9:44 pm)

This is kind of apples and oranges again. The smart is here (though you can't get one nnow unless you were on the order list...sold out for the year). The Venture is an interesting concept that I hope makes it, but there are a lot of if's to be worked out with something not yet for sale.
 
The Venture will also be more expensive and therefore competing with other hybrids that may not get as good mileage, but do offer other amenities it doesn't (like room). The other big factor for some people will be that the Venture is something like three feet longer than the smart (negating some of the park anywhere factor), but offers no more passenger carrying capacity. Plus that passenger has to ride in the back. But it is another choice and choice is good.
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Saw my first... by robr2
Mar 25, 2008 (7:22 am)
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...Smart on the road in the Boston area. It was covered with vinyl graphics for a local HVAC supplier. Big guy was driving it and was easily keeping up with 70 mph traffic.

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