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Re: no spare tire [walterquint] by gregg_vw
Feb 28, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: walterquint (Feb 28, 2008 1:22 am)

Stick only is the death of any car in this country. And it does get better mileage than either the Yaris or Fit. And so what if they are close? The reason people buy a smart is because of its size. Both Yaris and Fit are several feet longer, and that makes a big difference in urban parking and traffic. Not everyone needs to drag around an empty back seat everywhere they go.
 
And have you DRIVEN a smart with the paddle shifters? It feels peppy and feels faster than it is. If it is not for you, that is fine. But why all the mud slinging? The company should have no problem selling 20,000 units a year here. That's not a big market, but it is nice to have the choice to buy something the rest of the world has been able to get for nearly a decade.
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Re: no spare tire [walterquint] by snakeweasel
Feb 28, 2008 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: walterquint (Feb 28, 2008 1:22 am)

I merely said the Smart lacked peppiness, which is perceived speed.
 
Have you driven one? I have, I will say that it is peppy, much more than I thought it would have.
 
Back in the day, the Bug was a car for a renegade.
 
Nope, back in the day the Bug was a car for hippies.
 
Big deal. So does a Fit or Yaris.
 
Sorry the Smart gets 36 combined per EPA estiments the Fit only gets 30 and the Yaris 32. So the Smart gets up to 20% better mileage.
 
But the true "renegade" nowadays is the dude (or dude-ette) who drives a stripped Yaris hatchback with crank windows and stick-shift.
 
Thanks for the laugh.
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Re: no spare tire [snakeweasel] by studeman
Feb 29, 2008 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Feb 28, 2008 3:38 pm)

I agree with your comments except; "Nope, back in the day the Bug was a car for hippies"
 
The hippies came later. From my perspective (I'm 58) it was more the college professors and young trendy professionals that drove the Bug.
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VW Beetle TDI is a great alternative. by subienewbie2
Feb 29, 2008 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Feb 28, 2008 3:38 pm)

I still haven't cancelled my order for a Passion Coupe - probably will.
 
I found a 2006 Beetle TDI (diesel) with 19K miles on it, which for a diesel is equal to the engine just getting broken in.
 
My TDI is getting about 30 to 32 mpg in the bitter cold and snow of Chicago in the six weeks that I have had it. With dry roads and warmer temps I would expect to get in the upper 30s in the city and mid 40s on the highway.
 
More brands will be bringing turbo-diesels here due to high gas prices.
 
Almost any small car with a diesel will equal or beat the Smart in both MPG & performance. Yes they will cost more but you will get a lot more car with engines that will outlast any gasser. My TDI is great for squeezing through the city streets and with the diesel torque can beat almost anything pulling out from a light.
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Re: no spare tire [studeman] by aladdinsane
Feb 29, 2008 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: studeman (Feb 29, 2008 10:25 am)

Studeman...
 
So true, mate...plus one group that you forgot to mention: at least in New York City, of the many that were into the original VW Beetle and drove them around were the Bohemians (poets, musicians, writers, etc) who favored them and snubbed what Detroit had to offer...BIG time! I suspect the same was happening in the West Coast, especially San Francisco and L.A. at that time before the 60's.
 
Peace!<-AladdinSane- <-
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Re: VW Beetle TDI is a great alternative. [subienewbie2] by scwmcan
Feb 29, 2008 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: subienewbie2 (Feb 29, 2008 11:10 am)

you are right about milage of a deisel vs. the smart, but they will cost more, and smart does have a deisel that works quite well (and returns significantly better milage than the gasser) I don't know why they didn't wait to get that powerplant ready for the US before introducing the car there, they are also apparently just about ready with a hybid and a total electric version as well (again why they didn't push to get these ready for the US intro is beyond me). Maybe they are going to introduce one new tech a year or something to attempt to keep the inerest up, but I think it might backfire as people who bought the gas version first might be upset when the deisel comes and gets significantly better milage, (I know for me it is working in reverse here in Canada, I would like to get a smart, but if I do it will be a used deisel, not a new gasser).
Scott
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Re: VW Beetle TDI is a great alternative. [subienewbie2] by dmathews3
Feb 29, 2008 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: subienewbie2 (Feb 29, 2008 11:10 am)

I wonder on your statement that more brands will bring diesels here. Here in Mi. the price of diesel is up to 80 cents more per gal. than reg. With the prem. price of a diesel engine I wonder just how many people would buy one. A Prius which gets a lot better than what you are saying on the VW and I bet costs less brand new.
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Re: VW Beetle TDI is a great alternative. [subienewbie2] by gregg_vw
Feb 29, 2008 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: subienewbie2 (Feb 29, 2008 11:10 am)

I have a Golf diesel and can attest to better than 50 mpg on the highway in warm weather. Love the car, but it is huge compared to the smart. The smart has a place, and when the smart offers a diesel here, it will have superior mileage to other diesels.
 
I cancelled my smart order, but not without regret. Fun little car that sure gets the attention.
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Re: VW Beetle TDI is a great alternative. [dmathews3] by gregg_vw
Feb 29, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Feb 29, 2008 12:40 pm)

Diesel fuel is more expensive now (though not THAT much more here in WI). Diesel fuel prices go highest in winter and then tend to moderate.

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