Last post on Jul 14, 2008 at 2:11 PM
You are in the Chrysler 300/300C/300C SRT-8
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Chrysler 300, Chrysler 300C SRT-8, Tires, Sedan
#10 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [bdyment]
Feb 28, 2007 (9:58 am)
Chrysler also did this to the Charger.They now put the 2.7 as the base engine,and have abs,esp option on the SE model.
2006 model had all that as standard plus the 3.5 was base engine.For the 07 model this brings down the price around 2k,so more people will buy them.Its good business sense. They did put the 2.7 in the 06 Charger for fleet and rental only.
#11 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [xtec]
Feb 28, 2007 (12:30 pm)
Well it is true. Price does sell. I personally would not want a rear wheel drive car without ABS and ESP.
#12 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [bdyment]
Feb 28, 2007 (12:55 pm)
"Well it is true. Price does sell. I personally would not want a rear wheel drive car without ABS and ESP."
While I agree that those things are nice, they certainly aren't absolute requirements. The truth of the matter is that folks have been driving driving RWD cars for a century, in snow, on ice, in rain, in mud, or any combination of those goodies you care to mention, and it was no where near the hardship that many folks who "...absolutely HAVE to have AWD..." would like the rest of us to think. Does driving an unadorned RWD car in winter weather require more training and a higher level of skill? Yup. Tell me please how that's a bad thing.
#13 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [shipo]
Mar 01, 2007 (10:22 am)
Absolutely. It is a good thing. I learned to drive on a 52 Meteor--Canadian Ford sold by Mercury. Had a whole series of rear wheel drive cars. No snow tires until 1961. You do learn how to navigate in winter conditions and definitely pick up skills you may not these days.
Technology can be a good thing. ABS and ESP are two of the best safety devices to be added to cars. Although I know now to drive without them, I feel safer with them.
#14 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [bdyment]
Mar 01, 2007 (11:01 am)
"Technology can be a good thing. ABS and ESP are two of the best safety devices to be added to cars. Although I know now to drive without them, I feel safer with them."
You'll get no argument from me. That said, the first RWD car I ever had with a modern stability control system was my 1999 328i. Shortly after I took delivery of it we had a nice snow, and as I lived on a hill that rises hundreds of feet between our old house and the main road to the east, I thought it was time for a little experimentation. On the way up at say 25 mph, I turned off the DSC and the car instantly snapped into a tail out spin to the right. Had I not been prepared for it, I would probably have redecorated the sod in the front yard of one of my neighbors.
A couple of years later, after subconsciously becoming totally used to the security of the DSC, I was descending that same hill during a sleet storm. As was my habit, I was in second gear, foot off the gas and just easing my way down the hill at maybe 20 mph, letting engine braking keep me slow. All of the sudden the car started accelerating and the back end came around to the right while I was on a left hand bend. "What the he..." I thought, "How can this be happening? I never disengaged the DSC." Then it hit me, I quickly pushed in the clutch pedal and the car snapped back into shape and I missed that fast approaching mailbox by an easy two or three inches. Yeesh!
#15 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [shipo]
Mar 01, 2007 (11:26 am)
Unfortunately I think the REAL impact of AWD and electronic traction control, et al, is to create a generation of drivers who think they don't have to pay attention to road conditions. The vast majority of cars I see off the road in a ditch during snow/ice conditions are AWD SUV's whose drivers think that just because they can accelerate better, they can also stop and turn better than "regular" cars. Too bad for them there exist the basic laws of physics....
#16 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [vic10]
Mar 01, 2007 (1:33 pm)
"Too bad for them there exist the basic laws of physics."
Yeah, seems to me that those same laws have been around a few years longer than SUVs too.
Mar 02, 2007 (1:24 pm)
i asked about snow tires not ABS i guess someone of you have no idea about snow tires so you have to talk about abs = absolute bull chit
#18 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [k9budd]
Mar 02, 2007 (1:46 pm)
The advice you've been given about using winter tires on all four corners is absolutely correct. ABS or no ABS, it doesn't matter. If you were to mount winter rubber on the rears only, your car would only have decent traction back there, condemming your car to terminal understeer and a horrible ability to stop once you've gotten yourself going.
#19 of 19 Re: 300 rwd [shipo]
Jul 14, 2008 (2:11 pm)
Ditto re winter tires -- they make all of the difference -- no other factor weighs as heavily in winter driving -- drivetrain layout included. My 05 300C is a wonder on winter tires & a beast without them (the Conti's are just plain horrible). It is a terrific car on snow.
BTW -- ALL 300 models come with ABS in Canada -- it must be a US thing to have it optional. Similarly there are no 2.7 300's in Canada (good thing) -- but there is plenty of snow & the 300 loves it with the right tires.