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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [xwesx] by ateixeira
Apr 30, 2007 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: xwesx (Apr 30, 2007 9:46 am)

That's not quite the same as saying "they have a continuing problem with failed head gaskets".
 
That hit 99-02 models hard, sure.
 
I haven't seen reports of head gaskets failures for 03 and later models. Nor did any of the Subarus in my family get a notice that it was to be added.
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [ateixeira] by xwesx
Apr 30, 2007 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 30, 2007 10:00 am)

No, it is not. I just wanted to put out correct information for those who own, or are interested in owning, Subaru vehicles manufactured post-TSB. I cannot say for sure whether owner manuals from 03-06 request this additive, but it would stand to reason. If not used, I imagine this could be grounds for warranty denials.
 
Actually, the head gasket problems hit '96 through '02 models hard. It was only addressed by Subaru in the phase II engines, for some reason.
 
Not that this is indicative of widespread problems, but I heard from a fella in California about his gasket saga (1998 Outback, green), which lasted about 2 years and is just now coming to a close. He ended up having the gaskets (and a bunch of other work) replaced to the tune of $2200. His wife wanted him to dump the car, but he was stubborn and went ahead with the fix. Having owned it since new, he is convinced it has a lot of life left and the $2200 is well spent. I cannot recall the mileage - I think it was in the 80K range.
 
Funny enough, I get many many emails from people who do Google searches and come up with my page covering gasket replacement on my '96 back in Sept '05. So many that I finally set up a folder on my email program called "Subaru Correspondence."
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [xwesx] by ateixeira
Apr 30, 2007 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Apr 30, 2007 12:34 pm)

whether owner manuals from 03-06 request this additive
 
I'll check in my sister's Forester Owner's Manual next time I see her, or my brother's 04 Legacy. I seriously doubt it, though.
 
What section was it under?
 
I don't see how Subaru could deny a warranty claim unless owners were officially notified (or unless it's in the manual, like for the 07s).
 
I also wonder if it's in the Tribeca's manual, as the H6 wasn't ever really affected by the issue.
 
I guess what set me off was the "all vehicles" comment, I still doubt that's true.
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [ateixeira] by smittynyc
Apr 30, 2007 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 30, 2007 12:57 pm)

I can't say for sure whether it was mentioned in the owner's manual, but I am positive that there was a TSB about the coolant additive for my 04 Forester X.
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [ateixeira] by xwesx
Apr 30, 2007 (2:29 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 30, 2007 12:57 pm)

No, I agree with you fully about spreading mis-information or just inflammatory posts in general.
 
As for the coolant additive, it was in the Maintenance section (section 11 in my manual) under coolant replacement.
 
Out of curiosity, is there not a law that manufacturers not require items specifically from the manufacturer unless those items are provided free of charge? If this is the case, this Subaru coolant additive must be a commercially available item. Is that so?
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [xwesx] by smittynyc
Apr 30, 2007 (4:01 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Apr 30, 2007 2:29 pm)

I don't know whether there's a law like that. It seems like there are an awful lot of products -- from vacuum cleaners to printers to water pitchers to various kids' toys -- whose consumables are available only from the OEM.
 
I do know that you can buy the OEM coolant conditioner from your local Subaru dealer, or from any dealer which does online/phone parts orders.
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [xwesx] by ateixeira
May 01, 2007 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: xwesx (Apr 30, 2007 2:29 pm)

I've been told it is exactly identical to Stop Leak.
 
MythBusters had a cool episode about ground pepper doing essentially the same thing, i.e. they put pepper in a radiator and tested to see if it would clog up the leak.
 
Guess what? It worked!
 
Myth confirmed. Ground pepper has the same effect as Stop Leak.
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [ateixeira] by tidester HOST
May 01, 2007 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 01, 2007 8:42 am)

MythBusters had a cool episode about ground pepper doing essentially the same thing ...
 
I missed that one! Got any details?
 
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [smittynyc] by xwesx
May 01, 2007 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: smittynyc (Apr 30, 2007 4:01 pm)

Oh, I thought that they could not require, say, that you "must" use OEM fuel filters, air filters, oil filters, fluids, etc; they could only specify that the items used meet certain established industry standards. Perhaps a specialty additive like the "conditioner" is exempt from that requirement. Even though, for the Legacy, it is a required maintenance item...
 
Maybe it is another of those myths, though! I love finely ground pepper. It might not be a good idea to make coolant both sweet and spicy.....
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Re: Subaru Coolant 'Conditioner' [xwesx] by ateixeira
May 01, 2007 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (May 01, 2007 9:57 am)

Yep, that's due to the Magnussen-Moss Warranty Act. If they require OE stuff they must provide it to you for free.
 
As for MythBusters, yeah, they used an egg, too. I only caught part of the episode, though. Cool show.

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