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Compared to a Kia Sedona! by samnoe
Apr 05, 2009 (11:46 am)
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I had to leave my Chrysler Town & Country at the mechanic for a day for many repair issues (and still need to bring it back for more repairs, all under warranty. Wow), and I got a rental for that day – a Kia Sedona minivan. At first I was kinda unhappy, because, you know, it’s a “KIA”.
 
Well, after driving it for one day, I must say I am very impressed! It is SO MUCH BETTER than my Chrysler van, that I was shocked. Sure, in terms of features and entertainment, the Chrysler wins hands down. But other than that, I must applause Kia/Hyundai. I got an LX Sedona, a bare-bones model, with no extra features, just the basics.
 
To start the comparison, let me state that I have the Limited version of the Town & Country, which have the more powerful 4.0L engine (251 hp) and a 6-speed transmission, as apposed to the 5-speed only on the Sedona, which also has a 3.8L, 250 hp engine (across the line, BTW, not only in top models). But the Sedona was so much better at takeoff, it felt briskly and ready to go, while my truck-like Town & Country feels much more sluggish. Leave alone the engine noise – the Sedona has a quieter, much more refined sound when accelerating, while the Town & Country has a harsh-sounding engine which would rather suite for a truck.
 
The ride on smooth roads is quite similar, but on bumps or potholes, the Sedona WINS - BIG TIME! It takes’em so much better. The handling of the Sedona is also superior to the Town & Country. The Sedona feels almost sporty when compared to the Town & Country, it feels lighter, almost car-like, the steering feel is better, and the steering wheel is much smaller which enhance the driving experience. (The Town & Country has a H-U-G-E thick steering wheel which would also rather suite for a truck.)
 
Overall, the Sedona feels much more refined that the Town & Country, in most every aspect. The controls feel more precise, even small things, like the signal lever, and even the signal clicks. Controls are up high within easy reach, while in my Town & Country I have to bend down below my knees for some A/C controls. Everything is lighted, even the ignition key ring insert, the glove box, etc. It has the windshield wiper de-icer – a feature Chrysler had it first on minivans, but they dropped it to save some money, and companies like Kia picked it up instead. What a shame.
 
Again, The Town & Country has its own pros, it’s much nicer executed in many ways, much more luxurious, and more exciting gauge cluster and entertainment options, but the driving experience is not even close to the Sedona.
 
I am still shocked.
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Re: Compared to a Kia Sedona! [samnoe] by maguy
Apr 05, 2009 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: samnoe (Apr 05, 2009 11:46 am)

Sorry to hear your T&C is in the shop. I have a 2008 and I have to say it has been a very, very reliable car after 14,000 trouble free miles. Nothing has gone wrong and we have not had one squeak.
 
Didn't you test drive any other vans before deciding on Chrysler? I test drove Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai before buying mine. It seems like nobody takes their cars for test drives before buying them.
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Re: Compared to a Kia Sedona! [maguy] by samnoe
Apr 06, 2009 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: maguy (Apr 05, 2009 5:50 pm)

I actually chose the Town & Country because I had a Dodge Caravan before, which have been much better than the new one, I wanted the stow'n'go seats, which was very important for me, and I must give credit to Chrysler for this innovation.
 
Never did I thought that the new one will be worse than the predecessor. My lease was up with the old one at the same time when the new one was released, and I had no source to check any reviews, only the "new features" which Chrysler added, and sounded very exciting. Many features I did not want but there was no choice, I could only get them that way or wait another few months for a custom-built model. I knew I will hate the power 3rd row seats. Who needs it? Now it gives me the hell. Every day new problems. It does not act like it supposed to. Squeaks and rattles all over the van like crazy. All passengers, included my own kids, keep questioning me if I am sure this is a new van??...
 
I am sure that it's because it's a first year model, and in a year or 2 most problems will be corrected - with the exception of the engine refinement, ride and handling, which needs a major makeover. I hope that Chrysler see their situation today, and will learn the hard way - and in the end, release better products.
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Re: Compared to a Kia Sedona! [samnoe] by jpelder
Apr 06, 2009 (4:59 pm)
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Replying to: samnoe (Apr 06, 2009 2:52 pm)

Well, after driving several other brands of van, including the Kia, I still feel my 2006 grand STX has them beat. More solid, more power, better fuel real world fuel economy (3.8L), and the Stow and Go is the icing on the cake. The Odyssey is nicer looking, but the more solid feel of the caravan, the lower price, and the stow and go make me pick the Caravan. I do feel the 3.3L engine, while adequate, is not enough engine.
 
I tried a sedona on a recent trip, and it felt very sluggish and stodgy...a bit like the 90's era grand caravan. The highway fuel economy was about 3 MPG less than my 3.8. The only good thing I can say about the Sedona is that it rode better than the Kia Amanti, which is supposedly a luxury car.
 
Does anyone here have an opinion about the new chrysler 4.0L vs the 3.8?
 
I just passed 66K and other than a leaking rack, the van has been flawless.
 
Note: I just replaced the factory Bridgestone's with Cooper CS4's. What a difference in feel and road noise!
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Re: Compared to a Kia Sedona! [samnoe] by srs_49
Apr 07, 2009 (2:30 am)
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Replying to: samnoe (Apr 06, 2009 2:52 pm)

And see, I bought a used 2007 DGC last year and have over 43,000 miles on it with absolutely no problems. The only thing that's been replaced/repaired, except for consumables such as oil and filters, has been the front pads at 40,000 miles. I seriously considered a used Odyssey but, 1) I had good luck (10 years and 174,000 miles on out '94 DC) and 2) a comparable year and mileaged Odyssey would have been $5K+ more than the DGC.
 
People's experiences with Chrysler/Dodge minivans seem to be all over the map.
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Re: Compared to a Kia Sedona! [srs_49] by samnoe
Apr 07, 2009 (2:35 pm)
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Replying to: srs_49 (Apr 07, 2009 2:30 am)

Look, I also had a 2005 Grand Caravan, which was definitely better than my 2008 Town & Country. Not in terms of features, but handling, and some other minor things, was a bit better. IMO Chrysler took a step backwards with the new design. Also, entry/exit is more difficult due to being much taller for some reason.
 
What I meant to say, that I never expected the Kia to feel so much lighter, faster, better bump absorbing, less body lean, easier controls, than my once-beloved Town & Country. But it did. And that was my shock. Hyundai/Kia are improving with giant steps. And Chrysler?????
 
Anyway, we're not into comparisons here, but I just wanter to air out my feelings, my thoughts... That's all. Back to the Chrysler Town & Country........
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Re: Compared to a Kia Sedona! [srs_49] by xwesx
Apr 08, 2009 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: srs_49 (Apr 07, 2009 2:30 am)

I agree; from what I read here, the experiences are all over the map. I think that points to poor quality control in the factories, but it also does not mean everyone buying a Chrysler van is destined for hardship. There will be some folks on either extreme, and most right down or near the middle.
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Re: Compared to a Kia Sedona! [xwesx] by jpelder
Apr 08, 2009 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: xwesx (Apr 08, 2009 10:54 am)

While I kinda agree with that statement, I think the Caravan has a worse than deserved reputation due to some quality problems from 1984-1998. Since then it has been much more reliable. My family had 1986, 1989, and 1991 models. All had more issues than normal. Since then, I've had a 1998 Grand Sport (Good until it hit 8 years old at 140,000 miles, when tranny went out, 2000 Grand Sport (perfect for the 2 years 80,000 miles I had it), 2002 Grand Sport (perfect for the 2 years, 75,000 I had it), 2006 Grand STX (only had a problem with power door locks).
 
My Mother still has a 2002 Caravan Sport which has also been flawless. Two close friends each drive a Grand STX or T&C Touring which also have been flawless in the 2 years they've owned them. I know these are just anecdotes, but the truth is that you rarely hear the success stories. I don't blame people for complaining when they get a lemon, but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater either. I just hope Chrysler hangs on, because the Caravan is their only vehicle that reigns supreme in it's market segment, and I hope to keep buying them.
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Re: squeaks,Rattles and horrible gas mileage [samnoe] by drewdl
Apr 20, 2009 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: samnoe (Feb 12, 2009 7:58 pm)

Did you ever find out what this rattle was? I have a 2008 Dodge Caravan, and when it rains, I have a horrible rattle in the rear. It usually happens as I am coming to a stop, or when turning left, but it only happens when it rains???
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Re: squeaks,Rattles and horrible gas mileage [drewdl] by samnoe
Apr 22, 2009 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: drewdl (Apr 20, 2009 2:01 pm)

I complained to my dealer. I think there is a service bulletin for the muffler rattle. They replaced it (it took them a week waiting for the replacement part to arrive) and I think it's now better. In yesterdays rain I did only once felt it slightly, but otherwise was good during the day.

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