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#365 of 554 Re: Whistling & "Honking noise" [akrehely]
Jul 02, 2008 (6:39 am)
Thanks so much for posting your experiences, all of you, on this "wind noise", which for me, hit its peak of frustration yesterday!
I'm in South Orange County, CA, and drive an '08 Grand Caravan. It's a company car managed under PHH fleet services. I've had either Dodge or Chrysler vans since 1998, and only on the '02 do I remember a honking sound, but I could never get it to duplicate in front of a technician, so I suffered with it for 2 1/2 years; my guess was that it came from the air-vent doors not completely closing.
This HONKING GEESE issue is incredible! For my van, 70 to 80 mph seems to trigger it, and especially if I'm driving through a crosswind situtation. The sound can originate from one, two or more areas of the dashboard all at once. (What a symphony!)
A month ago I called PHH maintenance, and they didn't know anything about this. I then called my local dealer, and got "someone" who said it was for real, Chrysler-Dodge was working on it, and there was no fix.....call back in a month or so. Being at the dealer yesterday to get some touchup paint, I stopped at the service area, and hailed down a rep., who said he hadn't heard of the problem and recommeded I call Chrysler on their customer service line.....800-992-1997. DON'T DO IT unless you want to get a recipe for Tandori Chicken and chutney rice!!! I spent 15 minutes giving the Indian rep., probably a nice guy but in the wrong job, alot of information. He never even addressed my repeated question about the existence of a repair bulletin. It drove me bonkers. I was fuming that I had to call Chrysler at all, and worse, that a service rep at the dealer wouldn't try to dig around and find the bulletin? So I called PHH right after I hung up on the "Asia Connection", and they called the same dealer while I was on-line.....but this time, they got someone who had heard of two other wind noise issues.........roof rack and sunroof! I spoke with this service rep., and after he repeated the roof rack and sunroof, he said.......well, there's one more here......"honking sound windshield issue, silicon repair." I finally heard my van's disease being uttered by the dealer; a bulletin #PT9001890 does exist with the fix! I guess the first service rep didn't have the time to help me? (why do they call them service reps?)
Bottom line, I agree with you......Chrysler-Dodge, as I perceive it, is acting stupid on this issue, and maybe publicity would be bring them out! DON'T CALL THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE unless you want a severe run-around. For a dealer not to know about an issue that appears to be epidemic is rediculous. (Other managers in our firm have the same issue, and PHH has been receiving calls on this). Why do I have to search the web to solve this kind of problem.......?......maybe Chrysler-Dodge is playing the numbers and wants to hold down the negative publicity? And I doubt if I'll go back to the dealer I was at yesterday, as I'm afraid they'll ask me to hold something while they silicon the windshield. Actually, I may do this myself at home.
By the way, I called dealer in Maryland and they transfered me to the body shop, as they said they did a repair last week. Maybe it was "akrehely's" van? Now that I have ID'd the bulletin and fix, I'll call a few more dealers until I get the actual fix instructions. At this point, I don't see a problem running clear silicon all the way around the windshield. I did notice what might be "open space" issues in the bottom corners of the windshield, where the flexible exterior rubber molding overlaps the glass. I'm thinking the rubber starts flapping at high frequency when the wind gets under it. That would explain the "wind through the grass reed", or honking sounds.
Thanks for sharing..........Al
#366 of 554 Chrysler or Not ??
Jul 02, 2008 (9:33 am)
...ok, ok...I'm nearing the end of my existing Odyssey lease, and have decided to return to a Chrysler product...Sto-N-Go has won me over. I'm going T&C Limited for the 4.0, HID headlamps and the interior upgrades. I'm curious, have the wind noise issues been more Caravan or T&C ?? Honda had this problem when their '05 body style was new, and it IS solveable. My previous Chryslers have had minor electrical glitches, leaking sunroof drains, and minor suspension part issues...NO car is perfect these days apparently, probably due to assembly line automation or some such thing. So, any overly outrageous reason not to take the plunge ??
...oh yeah, that tranny issue a few posts back. That'll be interesting to see how it turns out. And all the vans will be Windsor Ont vans from now on.
#367 of 554 Re: Chrysler or Not ??...and the wind noise issue [rktech]
Jul 02, 2008 (3:09 pm)
RK......if you're referring to the "honking noise at 70 mph+ and exaggerated with crosswinds, then to the best of my knowledge, that wind noise is an issue with the vertical rubber molding strips on either side of the windshield. That being the apparent cause, the Caravan or T&C should both suffer the same issue....wouldn't ya' think? I bought some clear silicon today, and will surgically apply it around the shield and under the rubber. By tomorrow it will have cured and I should never have to hear the "Honking Seranade of 5 Geese" again!
#368 of 554 Re: Chrysler or Not ?? [rktech]
Jul 02, 2008 (5:29 pm)
Just bought a T&C Limited with Stow & Go for the same reasons - 4.0. Van was built in May '08 in Windsor - one of the last ones I'm assuming since apparently they shut down the assembly line on May 9th (according to one of the dealers I talked to when I asked about ordering). Knock on wood - but so far so good at 850+ miles. No windshield noises, no problems with sliding doors being too sensitive, etc. Don't have the sunroof and it would be too early to tell on that one anyway. Put 600 miles on it this weekend driving up and back some of the Maine coast. Yesterday it was 87 here and I did drive on the interstate (about 75 mph). Not the intense heat that others have seen in places like TX, FL, and OK further back in the posts here that might have contributed to the seal(s) softening around the windshield. Time will tell I guess.
Still trying to figure out the MyGig system completely. Just have to keep using it to learn it. Navigation is a bit annoying if you've used something like Nuvi before - won't let you find certain things if the vehicle is in motion - curious if anyone knows about any software patches to override that feature btw. Also the database for points of interest isn't as extensive in some geographical areas in my opinion as the Nuvi. Still the screen is easy to read and it does have some nice features to it.
Got 19 & 20 mpg on first two tanks with mixed driving on both. Overall, pleased with the purchase so far. MTF.
#369 of 554 Re: Chrysler or Not ?? [rktech]
Jul 02, 2008 (6:32 pm)
RK, I have to tell you that although my 3.8 '08 Touring T&C with Stow-n-Go whistles, I now know from this forum that it is fixable and I will have it fixed. Other than the whistling, my family and I absolutely LOVE the van. Traded in an '05 Toyota Sienna for it and it blows the Sienna away. You get a lot of bang for your buck with this minivan.
#370 of 554 Re: Chrysler or Not ?? [rktech]
Jul 02, 2008 (7:15 pm)
We have had our GC SXT since April 6th and absolutely love it. Wouldn't trade back or to another brand at all. We had the sensitive rear doors and the MyGig reprogrammed when it was new, but other than that have had no issues with it at all. It made a trip from ND to PA, then to NC and back to ND last month with no whistling problems at all. It was near 100 degrees and 75-80 mph from NC back to PA (got stopped and warned in VA) and still no whistles. The van has 7900 miles, some bug splatters and one rock chip on it now. I'm currently at 21 mpg on the long term average, calculating since the van had 300 miles on it. About 4000 miles from the trip (with quite a lot of sitting and waiting in Chicago gridlock) and 3900 miles driving back and forth to work and running errands, so its about 50-50 town-highway. Based on my personal experience, I would recommend it.
#371 of 554 Re: Chrysler or Not ?? [jeffuhde]
Jul 02, 2008 (7:52 pm)
won't let you find certain things if the vehicle is in motion - curious if anyone knows about any software patches to override that feature btw.
Do a Google search for "allgig" or "MyGIG Lockpick". Not a software patch but an aftermarket plug-in module. It will also let you watch front seat DVD movies while in motion. Different companies - both around the same price.
#372 of 554 Re: Chrysler or Not ?? [scoutll]
Jul 02, 2008 (7:56 pm)
some bug splatters and one rock chip on it now
To get rid of those bug splatters take a Bounce dryer sheet, wet it and rub gently on the spot. It will remove the bug stuff like magic.
Bounce dryer sheets are a popular detailing tool with the Viper owners.
#373 of 554 Re: Chrysler or Not ?? (Honk-i-fi-ca-tion) issue [jeffuhde]
Jul 03, 2008 (5:36 am)
Slight update for the windshield issue...
I looked at the side moldings of the windshield, and see that they're hard, thick pieces that, by their mass alone, wouldn't seem to be able to vibrate? However, the bottom rubber molding running the length of the shield is thin, plyable and at the ends in the corners, shows "off contact" with the glass.
Well, I bought my clear silicon supplies yesterday, but because the info I got conflicts with what I'm seeing, I cleaned the bottom of windshield, above and under the rubber strip, and then ran a continuous strip of black electrical tape over the molding and glass. It color matches, isn't very noticeable, and has sealed the rubber to the glass so that it can't vibrate. I'm going to "run it down the road" today, as we're having typical 90 degree dry heat, and try to make it honk!
If any of you can, in more detail, explain the fix again, I'd appreciate it. I was told the vertical side moldings were the culprit, but that doesn't look possible, unless the issue is the wind "vortexing" from the shield against the slight rise in the molding? It's a tight contact, unlike the bottom molding, which is so pliable.
As for the van overall, I drive the more basic version, as it's a company provided vehicle, but still like the design. Unfortunately, they stuck us with the standard engine, which is "gutless" like I've never experienced before. I did own a '49 Desoto Limo when I was in the service, but the flathead 6 in that car was, I think, equal or peppier than this one. In my personal cars, I've always opted for the largest or second to largest powerplant. My friends that selected this van through our leasing company all say the same about the small standard engine; it's way too underpowered. But again, and even in this base model, I've got "stow and go" in the back seat section, which is so much better than pulling out the old style seats. Also, I'm enjoying all the new storage room under the floors!
#374 of 554 Chrysler sales
Jul 03, 2008 (6:34 am)
I have read this board on occasion but not posting lately.
The other day I read where Chrysler is closing the Fenton minivan assembly plant permanently. Human nature being what it is I would be suspect of any minivan rolling off that line since the doomed plant announcement.
I also read where sales of the Chrysler minis are lower than that of the 2007 old body style models. Granted no one except a few are doing well in this economy. The Odyssey and Sienna sales must be down as well even though Honda posted a double digit sales gain in June overall.
What is troubling to me is seeing the same problems, electrical and transmission, as I had 14 years ago on the last Chrysler product I will ever own, a 1994 Dodge GC. My how I have been flamed when referencing that POS!
Yes I drive a 2006, trouble free through 47,000 miles, Odyssey. My son's 2008 Sienna is even more trouble free if that is possible.
Funny, my Japanese minivan was built in Alabama, USA and my son's in Indiana, USA but now we have the American Chrysler minis being imported! Who drives the import I ask.