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Re: I stand by my claim......... [rockylee] by lemko
Sep 04, 2007 (4:58 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Sep 03, 2007 8:34 pm)

retrain, retrain, retrain, we are in a global economy.
  
Retrain for what? Who's going to pay for this retraining - the guy/gal who just lost their job? Sorry kids! You gotta get something out of the dumpster for dinner while Daddy blows his unemployment check learning HVAC or computer networking with the 5,000 other guys who just lost their jobs at the mill. My Dad went to school when he lost his job and graduated at the top of the class. Other guys in the class who graduated below him got jobs, but not Dad. Why? Who's going to hire a 60 year-old man regardless of his qualifications?
  
Fortunately for Dad, all us kids were grown and gone and his house was long since paid for. Tomorrow's 60 year-old guys won't be as fortunate in such a situation. Housing prices are so absurd, most homeowners won't be paying off their mortgages, if ever, until their in their 70s or 80s.
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Re: I stand by my claim......... [lemko] by gsemike
Sep 04, 2007 (5:10 am)

Replying to: lemko (Sep 04, 2007 4:58 am)

This conversation is probably a better fit for the kiplinger site. I feel horribly for anyone that finds themselves in that position. It's still a stretch to say that this is the worst since the depression. The late 70s were awfully rough. We had double digit unemployment and inflation. There are some foreboding times. Let's hope that we navigate through it all.
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Re: Warranty costs [imidazol97] by 1487
Sep 04, 2007 (5:17 am)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Sep 03, 2007 4:25 pm)

"Right on. When the Edmunds review of the 2008 sedan mentions the expansion joint kerthuds and the tire noise due to minimal sound-proofing, they point out the flaws in the earlier model. But you'd never have known it had flaws to read about it earlier; they were the holy grail.
 
They do that all the time! C&D is famous for that as well. They have no complaints about a car like the Accord until the new model comes out. Once that happens they suddenly are able to recall all the flaws of the old model.
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Re: Warranty costs [m1miata] by 1487
Sep 04, 2007 (5:26 am)

Replying to: m1miata (Sep 03, 2007 6:59 pm)

"You say look to today and I am, as I see today. They are still talking of things to come. Been there and done that. "
 
I totally disagree. Magneride, VVT on OHV engines, AFM (only Honda and Chrysler offer this), Onstar, steering wheel controls (mid 90s), two mode hybrids, stability control, Autoride suspension on the trucks, CVRSS on the last gen STS/DTS/ETC, remote start, Performance Shift algorithm on Cadillacs, the LS3 engine, LS7 engine, Atlas I-6 engine, the superhcarged Northstar engine, the 2L turbo engine, ventilated seats, active steering compensation, the DI 3.6 engine in the CTS, XM radio, etc. are all examples of innovations that GM was the first to have or amongst the first to offer.
 
Once again, you are not up to date on what GM is doing or has done in the last 10 years or so. If you exclude the luxury manufacturers I would like to know who in your opinion has been introducing more features than GM in the last decade? Please dont say Honda.
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Re: WSJ article shows that offensive is working to some extent [m1miata] by 1487
Sep 04, 2007 (5:27 am)

Replying to: m1miata (Sep 03, 2007 7:16 pm)

"Well a bus carries the most people. Just buy an old Greyhound. Geepers for $45K, I would want something nice to drive. "
 
the enclave isnt nice? Wow, sounds like you really are a GM fan afterall. What was I thinking?
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Re: Warranty costs [gsemike] by 1487
Sep 04, 2007 (5:33 am)

Replying to: gsemike (Sep 04, 2007 4:36 am)

"Since I look at cars as more than a 2 or 3 year proposition, why should I make the leap of faith that a new GM is going to age so well when the last one I was in didn't? The Pathfinder ran beautifuly and it was 4 years older. "
 
my parents' car is 9.5 years old and doenst have parts falling off, no major creaks and rattles, the engine works fine and doesnt hesistate, etc. Its always dangerous to base opinions on used vehicles, you have no idea how that vehicle was maintained. furthermore the Blazer was last redesigned in 1995 as I stated, its hardly a modern GM product regardless of what you say.
 
do you honestly believe current GM products wont last more than 3 years without problems? LOL, that is a good one.
 
"The Pathfinder ran beautifuly and it was 4 years older. "
 
ran beautifully? what does that even mean? the engine worked? I would hope it does.
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Re: Warranty costs [carguy58] by 1487
Sep 04, 2007 (5:37 am)

Replying to: carguy58 (Sep 03, 2007 3:38 pm)

"So what's the benchmark in the mid-size class 1487? The Altima, The Aura or some other car in your opinion. "
 
Overall I would have to say the Altima is the current benchmark based on hp, features, size and innovation. I am counting the entire model lineup including the hybrid. The camry could also be considered but its high tech features are solely available on the XLE and hybrid model. Its also way overpriced and lacks handling on all model other than SE.
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Re: Warranty costs [1487] by gsemike
Sep 04, 2007 (6:28 am)

Replying to: 1487 (Sep 04, 2007 5:33 am)

"ran beautifully? what does that even mean? the engine worked? I would hope it does."
 
No. If you don't know what it means for a car to run beautifully, then you're not really in a position to offer commentary on cars.
 
You've shown time and again, that you set the bar much lower than I do. That's why you defend GM so fervently, because as long as it runs, it's good.
 
A 10 year old car that runs beautifully starts easily, idles smoothly, accelerates without hesitation, shifts crisply, takes bumps with groans and creeks and drives straight without constant corrections or too much play in the steering. These are the things that the 10 year old Pathfinder did that the 5 year old Blazer didn't.

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