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7057 messages, Last post on Sep 04, 2007 at 8:13 AM
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Replying to: altest (Sep 03, 2007 3:59 pm) L
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Sep 03, 2007 4:25 pm)  The Accord V6 was more about being a performance sedan, than a smoothie, lets have a couch chair car to drive experience. L |
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Replying to: m1miata (Sep 03, 2007 6:10 pm) Once supply is normalized, it is going to be hard to sell them at MSRP. In the past couple of months, even before the 2008 model came out, the 2007 Outlooks already had a $1000 factory rebate because too many dealers started to discount Acadias. It is a far cry from the days of $6000 off MSRP on other GM vehicles, but not as rosy as the GM dealership network would like us to believe. I think you may have completely lost half of the thread readers with the BMW/Vette/CTS mentions as counterpoints to the Enclave high price. I am too lazy to hit the German building tools right now, but I can guarantee a comparably equipped BMW/Audi/Mercedes SUV will cost 10K more, and will carry much less. That is the beauty of the GM trio, short of the Taurus X and the CX-9, there is nothing on the road that has 3 rows of seating, room for 18+ CuFt. of cargo, and more than 16 mpg. |
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Replying to: 1487 (Sep 03, 2007 3:09 pm) Wow, I would have to dig into the history here. Just off the top of the head, they had Buick Century for power, then the Olds Rocket 88 which took many wins on NASCAR, you had the age of quality coach works in the earliest of Cadillacs, and innovations like the electric starter, which they placed in cars first, and then there was the marvelous designs of the 60's with the GTO, Camaro Malibu SS, and the El Camino. Let's see the American sports car is the 1953 Corvette, which pretty much history wise is another banner year for GM. And then at one time, the most reliable, and powerful sedans and cool looking coupes were the Olds 442 by GM. Then for Buick there was the Riviera, which was a class act indeed. 1969 was the most popular Camaro of all times. Then there are those Eldorados, both hard top and convertibles. I recall when most limos were a Caddy or Lincoln. Aside of market share and HP, like you mentioned, GM was grace and style, with some interesting innovations along the way. Body by Fisher was some fine body builds indeed. GM was the style trend setter at one time. Now they build SUVs *yawn*. Anyway, between say 1904 and today, a lot has happened, and without writing a book, it is hard to encapsulate the history so all I can say is research it, and you will see these are the also ran ones. But remember first stabilize patient, then start the repairs as required. Hope this is what is happening. We are in the paramedics stabilization phase at the moment. L |
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Replying to: 1487 (Sep 03, 2007 3:15 pm) Fleet sales are due to lack of other ways to sell for top dollar. Why would they not use a Camry for police cars? Well they primarily use the RWD Crown Vic for police use. These are purpose built for the police department use. Can not see how there would be any market for Toyota, or profit in making such a car. I have no idea why they are using Impalas instead of Crown Vics in some areas, other than the snow problems. In this case the RWD works better. The Impala is big and cheap, which is good for the police dept. in the snow belt. Politics wise, it may be pretty hard to convince the taxpayers in parts of the USA to go with a foreign brand of car. You keep mentioning that Impalas are unreliable. Not sure why you believe this to be. You said I apply that the car is bad. I assume you meant to say imply that it is a bad car. And to that I say, oh no I did not say it is a bad car. It is good for a company car, a rental car, or for those in need of a slightly larger car than the mid-sized and like it. Like the car, then fine. It runs, and gas mileage is OK. Never said it was a bad car. For some it is like an old shoe that fits, and they do not want to throw out the sneekers for something modern. Nothing wrong with that.  OK, the Fusion, Sonata, are new and are going to fleet -- true -- this means they are not selling well. The Sebring is simply ugly on the outside and cheap looking on the inside ( IMHO, your mileage may vary ). Of course someone, somewhere USA thinks it looks cool and wonderful -- more power to them, they should be able to get a good discount. When you are desperate to move product, just dump it to fleet. Fusion and Milan with the 3.5 V6, if they got it or will get, should sell better. Nice looking cars, with a slightly big butt, but don't tell  Interior is OK. If I was Ford, I would drop the Fusion and sell the Milan as the only model. Maybe Merc dealers would have Ford Premium division, as in top o' line in Fords. It would be Ford Milan, and Premium (Merc) Milan by Ford Mercury. Loren |
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"The Cadillac CTS, however, proved perfect. It matched the 3 Series for overall grins per mile, not necessarily because it handled better but because it was capable of dispensing with the road's constant bumps while remaining composed around the mid- and even low-speed corners." 2008 Cadillac CTS: New Benchmark Luxury Sedan
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Replying to: 1487 (Sep 03, 2007 3:32 pm) You keep saying I hate GM. Does it make it so if you keep saying these things long enough? I am thinking, if they stabilize GM, and work down debt and future obligations can be handled without breaking the bank, GM can once again place money into engineering and research, as well as, directly into every car built. In that respect, it is all about the future. L
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 03, 2007 6:49 pm) It mentioned blipping the throttle into turns, while down shifting. Anyone know how you do this with an automatic transmission? Never heard of such a thing. But then again, never had a tiptronic or shiftronic tranny. Wonder what it will look like? I kinda like the weird Art & Science, with an edgy look. Like the Accord, I see it got bigger. My word, why is this still plauging the auto world after all these years. Super size every damned thing. Recall the first Thunderbirds? learned to drive in a '61 LeSabre, Loren |
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Replying to: nastacio (Sep 03, 2007 6:23 pm) Life it too short for SUVs as only transportation. For $34K you could get a nice BMW3. I know recently they had Corvettes for sales new for $40K something, I think it was 42K. I can see that, but my word, an SUV is transportation, may as well get a Hyundai or Kia large barge at a fraction the price. Great warranty, less price. L
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