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Re: GM has NO idea about what it's all about !! [andres3] by chetj
Aug 05, 2007 (9:26 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Aug 05, 2007 8:49 am)

i would buy a 06 taurus for 10k and pocket the extra $10,000 that i wouldve paid for a 07 flawless camry...my bro in laws flawless camrys timing belt broke up in canada...of course my cavalier has 162 k and has a timing chain that never breaks...american cars are underrated and pretty good values now..try one put you might be surprised and save a few thousand
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Re: read this [1487] by andres3
Aug 05, 2007 (9:26 am)

Replying to: 1487 (Aug 02, 2007 10:58 am)

The Camry is a premium midsize economy family sedan. The ES350 is a luxury sedan. The Avalon is a full size sedan.... All different.
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Re: GM has NO idea about what it's all about !! [chetj] by andres3
Aug 05, 2007 (9:34 am)

Replying to: chetj (Aug 05, 2007 9:26 am)

How about I'll try a used American auto if you will pay for a few things......
 
1) Any repairs prior to 6 years or 100K miles (I'll pay for recommended maintenance at scheduled intervals; you pay the rest).
 
2) The loss in gas mileage vs. a comparable Honda/Toyota with comparable power.
 
3) The added true cost to own, due to terrible resale and #2 above.
 
4) The costs of rental vehicles while the domestic is in the shop all of the time. Add in mileage/gas costs for going to and from the shop. Add in $50/hour for my wasted time dealing with the shops and driving time and tow trucks.
 
If any of you domestic crusaders out there will do all of the above (under written contract), I'll buy myself a used $10,000 or so domestic car soon.
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Re: read this [andres3] by sls002
Aug 05, 2007 (9:34 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Aug 05, 2007 9:26 am)

My brother had a Honda CR-V that needed the engine rebuilt at about 70,000 miles...
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Re: GM has NO idea about what it's all about !! [andres3] by sls002
Aug 05, 2007 (9:38 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Aug 05, 2007 9:34 am)

what are you defining as "American"? Honda, Toyota, BMWs etc. are built in America. How are they not American?
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Re: Very happy with Buick... [jcgable] by andres3
Aug 05, 2007 (9:46 am)

Replying to: jcgable (Aug 02, 2007 12:17 pm)

Sorry, but how does a transmission downshifting from 4th to 1st cause you to go over a curb and nearly hit a tree???
 
Sounds like pure driver error to me. If anything, down shifting will slow you down?
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Re: GM has NO idea about what it's all about !! [sls002] by andres3
Aug 05, 2007 (9:48 am)

Replying to: sls002 (Aug 05, 2007 9:38 am)

I guess I'd argue they are not designed, engineered, and conceived by American companies??? I'm well aware that Honda and Toyota build very good "American" built vehicles. For the sake of argument, when I say american car I mean one of the big 3....
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Re: GM has NO idea about what it's all about !! [andres3] by sls002
Aug 05, 2007 (9:57 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Aug 05, 2007 9:48 am)

I am not so sure that the Honda's and Toyota's are not designed by American engineers. Anyway, if you like the Honda's or Toyota's, then that is what you should buy. I have owned a number of Buicks over the last few decades, and I have not had serious problems with any of them. My last car was a Cadillac Seville (2002), which was very good with only one problem that was covered by the warranty. I now have a RWD/AWD SRX which has been good so far.
 
I am not sure that buying used cars is a good idea. My brother had two Honda's, both of which aged poorly. The first one did run to the end, but would no longer pass the emissions tests. The CR-V was totaled on the rear bumper of a domesic...
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Re: GM has NO idea about what it's all about !! [chetj] by m1miata
Aug 05, 2007 (10:27 am)

Replying to: chetj (Aug 05, 2007 9:26 am)

One rather large detail here; you would be driving a Taurus. Ya know, I could have bought a Yugo and pocketed $22,000 too, but I don't really want to inflict such mystery to self. I realize everyone has a different threshold to pain.
Loren
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Re: GM has NO idea about what it's all about !! [sls002] by andres3
Aug 05, 2007 (10:32 am)

Replying to: sls002 (Aug 05, 2007 9:57 am)

An accident that totals a vehicle is the driver's fault, not Honda's.
 
Anyway, Loren is right, driving a Taurus around would be MISERY! I don't know about mystery... maybe the mystery of when and how many times it will break down in any given month?

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