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Replying to: fezo (Aug 02, 2007 11:03 am) |
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Replying to: grbeck (Aug 02, 2007 11:13 am) We are not taking your word for it, because under your standards, any honest criticism of GM is interpreted as GM bashing. " reading is fundamental. If you read what I write you might be able to avoid making dubious claims in your responses. I already explained why the article cant be read for free. Go back and reread my post. You havent corrected me on anything. You are completely naive and get all of your opinions from C&D and CR. Come up with your own ideas. To suggest that everything printed about the auto industry or any topic is 100% subjective is beyond foolish. I cant stand people who act like things have to be true because it came from a certain source. Kind of like those who believe anything the government says (about reasons for war or anything else) because "they are the government and they wouldnt lie to us". Grow up and enter the real world and stop defending garbage put out by the press. you have rambled on and on defending an editorial that you havent even read but have totally avoided ONE simple fact. Toyota has joined the Big in opposing the drastic CAFE standards. Anyone with common sense would stop the insane argument about Toyota being for fuel economy at all costs and the BIg 3 being obstructionists. The facts DO NOT bare that out. I know facts are not important to you, but they are to me. "1. How many hybrids does GM sell? 2. What percentage of Toyota's sales consist of hybrids and four-cylinder cars? What are the similar figures for GM? 3. Which company depends on trucks and SUVs for whatever profits it makes? " I dont like wasting time trying to explain simple concepts to those who are clueless about the industry. First of all GM doesnt make money in the US period. It makes money from its overseas sales which are mostly cars (many with small engines and diesels), not trucks since trucks arent popular outside of the US. Secondly, we all know GM sells more trucks than Toyota and that is for many reasons. Firstly, GM makes better trucks than Toyota and has been making good trucks for decades when Toyota has only been doing so for a few years. Secondly, Toyota doesnt have enough truck capacity to outsell GM. Thirdly GM would rather sell trucks because they sell for more and thus are better able to cover high wages and legacy costs. If GM had the same cost structure as Toyota they would be happy to sell profitable small cars. They dont so they cant. You also fail to mention that Toyota imports many of its smaller vehicles and the Prius. That kind of proves that they wouldnt make a profit on them if they produced them in the States. Same as GM. Dont ask me stupid questions about how many hybrids GM makes. You and I know the answer to that. That doesnt change the fact that Toyota is against the CAFE proposals pushed by extremist in Congress. If Toyota is against them and they are the hybrid leader what does that tell you about how far fetched and expensive the regulations would be? Use common sense. "Spend less time at attempted mind reading - you're not very good at it - and more time learning more about the auto industry. " LOL! So I can be knowledgable like you? Surely you jest. At what point have I demonstrated any lack of understanding of the industry? If you dont want to see GM go under what exactly do you want? Just curious. Most import fanboys like yourself ignore facts when convenient and then preach doom and gloom about how the Big 3 are going under and deserve to do so. Then we hear about the 70s, CR rankings, how these problems should've been fixed 30 years ago, how all the current management should be fired, how you are angry that unskilled UAW members make more money than you, etc, etc. Same soup warmed over. Oh and then you top it off by saying "I really want Detroit to succeed but they dont make any products that can stand up to Hyundai, much less Honda and I have no choice but to love imports". See, I just saved you a whole lot of trouble.
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| Please note the difference (this is a huge problem for many) between shooting holes in biased, flawed, dated GM bashing statements and being unwilling to criticize GM. I have PLENTY of criticism of GM, but I am not one to go for all this "GM is run by idiots and makes no competitive vehicles" crap being pushed here by so many. I also like to keep GM's products in context with the industry as a whole, not just Toyota. Toyota is doing a lot of things better than a lot of people, not just GM. Hell, Toyota is whipping up on Nissan and Honda as well. No auto manufacturer (Asian, American or German) is in a better position than Toyota right now. For the record I am a firm believer that the GM midsize trucks are crap, the Aveo needs better mileage, the Lucerne needs a better base engine and 6 speed autos, the GMT900s should've launched with 6 speeds on at least some models, the H3 should've had a V8 or the I-6 from launch and GM needs navigation in more of its cars. Since I shoot down any and all criticism of GM according to some, its a miracle that I was able to come up with that list. | |
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Replying to: jcgable (Aug 02, 2007 4:08 pm) Did they change the final version's styling any from the concept? Or maybe it just looked better when Chevy had it put up on a pedestal (literally). Still, that might just be a bad angle. No car looks great from EVERY angle, unless it's something like a '57 DeSoto or '67 Catalina. 
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 03, 2007 5:09 am) Chevy seems to be going with this horizontally split grille theme shared with it's trucks. This isn't new for them. If you look at 1949-54 Chevrolet passenger cars, they pretty much had the same grille theme.
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 03, 2007 5:09 am) |
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 03, 2007 5:13 am) Heck, even my '85 Silverado has the split grille thing going on. It also reminds me a bit of some of the Chevies in the 60's and 70's, where there would be a bit of a sub-grille down in the bumper that matched the texture of the upper grille between the headlights. Or on some cars, like the '65 and '72 Chevies, where the fairly slim front bumper bi-sected the grille, creating the illusion of an upper and lower grille. I think that sub-grille effect works pretty well on the '08 CTS pictured in the spoof above. But I just don't care for the Malibu's split-grille, with two contrasting shapes. Plus, it has the openings in the lower part of the fascia that just make the overall effect a bit disjointed. But, to be fair, I don't find it any less attractive than a Camry or Accord. But among cars in this general size class, I think I like the looks of the Altima, Fusion, and Aura better. In roughly that order. |
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Replying to: jcgable (Aug 02, 2007 8:55 pm) I just hope these new CTS end up without the gold badges and landau tops. |
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Replying to: jcgable (Aug 02, 2007 10:49 pm)  Grammar and the Peeves that Pet It
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