Edmunds.com | Inside Line | Auto Observer Your Account | Help | Directory
You are here:
![[F]](http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/site.gif){kind=small}
Forums
SUVs Land Rover Land Rover LR2 v Jeep Patriot
60 messages, Last post on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:36 PM
You are in the Land Rover Forum. Your Hosts are steve_ & tidester
|
I disagree with this assessment. The Jeep Patriot is in the same segment, cost less, and has equal if not more capability off-road. I direct you to this website: http://expeditionwest.com/equipment/reviews/patriot/index.htm You can read the review and see the performance of this vehicle. It far outweighs anything released for the LR2, either on their website or independently. I'll let you read up on specs...but here are some high points: 19:1 crawl ratio, low-range, 9" ground clearance, skid plates, tow hooks, hill descent, Off-road Brake Traction control. When properly equipped, this vehicle has leather interior, Freedom Drive 2 (off-road, etc.) high end speakers, various luxuries...etc, for $25,000 on the high end. Downfalls, are quite obviously the engines power...however, we are talking about off-road....the LR2 has an alternative if not a superior.
|
|
|
Replying to: unclejjg (Feb 16, 2007 10:39 am) Not as classy as the LR, but a bit bigger, better mpg and fully optioned it's $27K with leather, moonroof and navigation. DEFINITELY on my short list. Having had an 86 Cherokee 4cyl 5speed which went 220,000 miles with extremely rough treatment and had 2/3 the HP of this engine, I am not afraid. So, much obliged. Oh, BTW, if u know - must I get the automatic to get the off-road bits? The manual is better mpg and that would be my choice. Nevermind - I'll go to Jeep's site and figure it out.
|
|
|
Replying to: heyjewel (Feb 16, 2007 3:12 pm) Further, even the Freedom Drive 1 option allows for electronically locking the center differential into a 50/50 split....50% to the front, 50% to the rear. However, it lacks the low range and off-road gear/capability. If you want some solid discussion about the Jeep Patriot, head to www.jeeppatriot.com
|
|
|
|
|
Replying to: unclejjg (Feb 16, 2007 3:35 pm) 19:1 is not much of a crawl ratio. You can't really compare the LR2 and the Patriot as they are completly different target markets but if you want to... LR2 1st Gear 4.148 Final Drive 3.750 Crawl Ratio 15.555 Not as good as 19:1 but then Land Rover isn't claiming that the LR2 has low range. LR2 Class-leading: approach angle - 31° Departure angle - 34° Minimum ground clearance – 210mm = 8.3 inches Wading depth – 500mm = 19.7 inches Patriot Approach Angle: 29 Break-over Angle: 23 Departure Angle: 33 Running Ground Clearance: 9" Turning Circle: 35.6' Water Fording: 19"  5 mph Slightly better ground clearance goes to the Patriot but the LR2 trumps it for the rest. Sources https://secure2.dedicatedhosting.com.au/mlr/veh_Freelander_2.html http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z12553/default.aspx |
|
|
Replying to: british_rover (Feb 16, 2007 4:59 pm) The departure angle is is 1 degree...not really worth it. The difference maker is the Off-road Brake Assist Traction control which by all accounts allows the vehicle to maintain forward mobility even with one or two wheels completely off the ground. It basically acts like a limited-slip. I'd be interested to see what the LR2 can do...but so far, they've only showed it in mud and grass...nothing comparable to the Patriot's trek in Arizona. Further, with a $10,000 difference in cost, I think the Patriot is going to turn a lot of heads away from the LR2. Of you want a compact with off-road prowess and leather, navigation system, etc. Jeep Patriot is available. If you want more luxuries, there is the LR2...but as of right now, I haven't seen it perform and the media isn't showing anything good. Also, and this is key, for the cost of the stacked LR2, you could get a Jeep Grand Cherokee with Quadra Drive II (limited slip in both axles, normally operates 48/52 all the time...but can transfer 100% torque to one wheel, and a 2.72 low range). This system delivers better performance, though it has a lower ground clearance and departure angle. And for the cost of the LR2, you could get an absolutely stacked Liberty...which will have better dimensions all around. Throw in SelecTrak, and you have part-time, full-time, and low ranges at 2.72. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you going to take a $35,000 dollar vehicle off-road if it isn't a Wrangler or Hummer (ie, meant expressly for that purpose)? If you are, then there are more luxurious vehicles that will perform better than the LR2, and they should be considered. If not, go with the Patriot.
|
|
|
Replying to: unclejjg (Feb 16, 2007 7:52 pm) Above is a clip of the Patriot, found on google, going off-road. This isn't as good of a test as expeditionwest.com shows, but it is live action. Its five minutes long. At the 3:14 mark, you see a great example of the hill assist control, and at 4:37 you get a small example of the Off-road Traction Control.....look for wheel slip and then control. Pretty good clip...but again, look at the pics at expeditionwest.com. You'll see the Patriot review on the left hand side. Those pictures show the kind of off-roading that I don't see the LR2 doing...especially not in 12" of snow (skip to the bottom if you are impatient).
|
|
|
Replying to: unclejjg (Feb 16, 2007 8:00 pm) Second, I've got to say, I love the look of this vehicle...it blows the old model away. Rugged, yet plush. Third, the interior looks great in pictures, and I believe they utilized the stadium seating in the rear seats. I'm on the fence about the Terrain Response knob....I'd have to see what it actually does. If it is simply lessening the throttle...I don't see why a driver can't control this. However, if it is like the LR3 where it raises the suspension...that is pretty cool, and I'd be interested to see how durable it is. |
|
|
Here is some good footage of the LR2 in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6ZaWzvCyJU
|
|
|
|
|
Replying to: unclejjg (Feb 17, 2007 7:41 am) They explain how terrain response works and some other stuff. On Wensday everyone at the dealership, but me cause I wasn't driving an hour or more into work in that frozen mess, got a chance to drive the LR2. The drove it right through the heart of that ice storm and said it was amazing. Tons of power and didn't seem to ever break traction. |
|
|
I am very seriously considering buying a Patroit in less than 2 weeks. The price is about $1000. less than a Compass. Which we are looking into if we can't get a Patriot. Is the Patroit a good vehicle? We presently have a 05 Jeep Liberty CRD which has been to the dealer 23 times, and still there are fore problems that are not fixed for the forth time. We want to spend less than $24,000. We want a gas vehicle that gets at least 23 mpg, which they both say the vehicles will do. Any thoughts? Farout
|
|
You are here:
Forums
SUVs Land Rover Land Rover LR2 v Jeep Patriot
New? Join Now!
Forum Tools
Search Forums
Browse by Vehicle
2010 Jeep Patriot
2010 Land Rover LR2
Browse by Board
Browse by Topic
Today's Chats
