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60 messages,  Last post on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:36 PM

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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [mb789] by neely2005
Aug 13, 2007 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: mb789 (Aug 12, 2007 8:25 pm)

BOTH the Freedom Drive I and the Freedom Drive II can be Locked in 4X4. This splits the Power 50% to the Front & 50% to the Rear.
If it's Not locked in 4WD then it's AWD and it typically operates with about 99% of the power to the Front wheels - But the AWD mode can send up to 60% of the power to the Rear Wheels.
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [neely2005] by plekto
Aug 13, 2007 (1:36 pm)
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Replying to: neely2005 (Aug 13, 2007 9:43 am)

Right - but the level 1 freedom drive has no low-range.
 
Still, as an AWD replacement, the Freedom Drive I will work as full-time 4x4, giving you a massive improvement in safety that's real.
 
AWD systems are almost universally useless in the type of situations that people actually buy them for, because the power transferring takes time and at 60mph, that's 88 feet. Say, the thing manages to transfer power in 2/10ths of a second(closer to half a second at best) - that's basically the length of the car before it handles the problem.
 
It does no good. Total gimmick. Not unless it's on 100% of the time at some 60/40 or 50/50 type ratio. Well, it will do well in mud and snow to get you started. Jeep, Subaru, Mercedes, and BMW are the only companies that have workable AWD systems currently, because they really are full-time four wheel drive.
 
I just with they had a low-range option. As it is, all you can get is freedom Drive I with manual.
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [plekto] by british_rover
Aug 14, 2007 (4:03 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 13, 2007 1:36 pm)

eep, Subaru, Mercedes, and BMW are the only companies that have workable AWD systems currently, because they really are full-time four wheel drive.
 
Err you forgot Land Rover and Audi there too.
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... by plekto
Aug 14, 2007 (9:49 am)
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I say just get a classic and avoid the nonsense.
 
4-5K and you'll not lose a dime on it in depreciation - in fact it may go up a little each year...
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [plekto] by neely2005
Aug 16, 2007 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 13, 2007 1:36 pm)

True but if you have the Freedom Drive I with the Autostick CVT then you have 6 Pre-Defined Gear Ratios and You have a 1st gear through the Auto Stick. True it's not really a low range crawl mode like in the Freedom Drive II but it's still equivalent to a regular low gear / 1st gear in a regular Automatic transmission.
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [neely2005] by plekto
Aug 16, 2007 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: neely2005 (Aug 16, 2007 5:14 pm)

Better yet, just get a *manual* with the Freedom Drive I.
 
It's a tad better in first gear and LOADS better to actually drive. CVTs are largely junk. Why Chrysler couldn't have put an automatic in it... I hope the new owners make this a 2008 change - it would immediately make it a good option.
 
Oh - and I'd also outsource transmissions from GM.
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [plekto] by neely2005
Aug 17, 2007 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 16, 2007 6:27 pm)

CVT's get better mileage than regular automatics. That's why Chrysler went with the CVT2. The CVT2 that they use is built by Jatco which is owned by Nissan.
 
Personally I like the CVT2 - once you get used to it. It's so smooth!!! The car doesn't shift at all, just smoothness the whole way.
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [neely2005] by plekto
Aug 17, 2007 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: neely2005 (Aug 17, 2007 7:05 am)

A good automatic will do as well as a manual now - withness Honda and others - sometimes even a bit better.
 
The CVT doesn't do a BIT better than the manual in terms of MPG, so it's a useless bit of junk because it robs low-end power and makes it a joke to drive in city traffic. But it is a bit more reliable than Chrysler's junk. They should have swallowed their pride and bought a GM transmission like most of the European makers are.(like it or not, GM does make the best automatics currently)
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [plekto] by neely2005
Aug 17, 2007 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 17, 2007 7:29 am)

This CVT2 Transmission gets 5 - 10% better mileage than an equivalent Automatic. It's a great transmission. I never have any issues in city traffic or on the road. Sure it's not the fastest off the line but the Manual isn't any faster. It's just because it's a heavy vehicle - especially the 4WD.
Do yourself a favour and rent a Jeep Compass or Jeep Patriot for a weekend and put some miles on it.
It's one of the smoothest driving vehicles out there - especially for well under $20,000.
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Re: Patriot 4WD Systems - Question [neely2005] by plekto
Aug 17, 2007 (9:36 pm)
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Replying to: neely2005 (Aug 17, 2007 12:27 pm)

Ive' test-driven it a couple of times and the manual is WAY quicker in traffic if you drive it properly(always keep it in the 2500-3000rpm range, minimum and so on)

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