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Re: [langjie] by happy_hybrid_1
Mar 05, 2007 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: langjie (Mar 05, 2007 8:58 am)

langjie
 
Thanks for the reply. There's still hope. I checked the online inventories of all of the Nissan Dealer's in SoCal, and only a few had a vehicle in their inventory with a Technology Package, and of the vehicles that had the Technology Package, none of them had Leather. I thought this was Nissan's way of reducing costs and increasing their margin by only offering the cheaper cloth seats on the super expensive Technology Package. Also, the build tool on Nissan's website won't let you combine a Leather interior with the Technology Package option, thus confirming the information that I found in the dealer's inventories.
 
Hence this new information that you are describing is refreshing. Are you 100% sure that at least some of the Technology Package hybrids that hit dealers will come with Leather, and that it is not only available by custom order?
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happy hybrid by langjie
Mar 06, 2007 (9:12 am)
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if you go to carsdirect.com website, and you try to build an altima hybrid, click on the tech package (it will say included contents of connection package) when you click on the connection package (halfway through the options, it will say leather appointed seats)
 
also, if you just check off the tech package, it will say leather seats (included) under the "seat and seat trim" section
 
also, if you go to http://nissannews.com/nissan/2007vehicles/altima_hybrid/specs.shtml
nissan's official webpage for news, at the bottom, it will list out everything that comes with the packages
 
i'm baffled by you telling me you've seen a tech package without navi (that seems more like the custom order one)
 
long story short, i'm 100% sure that 100% of the tech packaged hybrid has leather (maybe the one you saw had an aftermarket navi)
 
connell nissan in costa mesa, ca has a tech package hybrid, you can email them and ask them for yourself
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Re: Compare with used Accord Hybrid? [happy_hybrid_1] by bogdan
Mar 13, 2007 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: happy_hybrid_1 (Mar 01, 2007 11:14 am)

Regarding fuel economy, I was curious about the article in Car and Driver, so I went to read it. Doing a quick scan, I saw that they were indeed reviewing the Altima Hybrid, not the gasoline-only powered Altima 2.5S and sure enough they claimed it compiled an average MPG of 23, 1 MPG LOWER than its 2.5S stablemate.
 
Disappointed, I put the magazine down, but I could not understand how C&D's numbers differed so dramatically from other MPG numbers mentioned here. I then went back and carefully re-read the section where MPG was mentioned and only there did the reviewer confess that the testing included "test track trashing". I'm not sure what self-respecting automobile publication publishes MPG numbers on a hybrid after it's been running on a test track, but considering the overall negative tone of the article, I suppose that the reviewer really didn't want to like the car and was looking for every last shred of evidence to support his case. I can also safely assume that the total time spent at a test track by the average Altima Hybrid buyer would be close to zero.
 
Having said that, doing some digging on the web came up with Road & Track's estimate at 37MPG:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=4646
 
Autoweek posted similar numbers (36.8MPG) in a blog:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070216/FREE/70214003&Search- ID=73274861512255
 
There was also some data from real-world users at www.fueleconomy.gov which posts numbers in the low 30s with a 40/60 mix of city/highway.
 
For my part, I will probably wait for the Consumer Reports test. This is not to say that the CR test is any more valid, but at least their consistent testing methodology across cars ensures that they're comparing apples to apples.
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Car and Driver is trash by langjie
Mar 14, 2007 (5:52 am)
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It's a great magazine if you're looking for a Honda, but they trash just about everyone else
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Re: Compare with used Accord Hybrid? [bogdan] by happy_hybrid_1
Mar 14, 2007 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: bogdan (Mar 13, 2007 2:11 pm)

This is good information. Thanks for digging it up. I too am looking forward to a Consumer Reports test. Any idea when that is going to happen?
 
As of today, there have been 2 reviews posted on Edmunds.com, and the owners are loving it. 10.0 out of 10.0! Sweet...
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Re: Compare with used Accord Hybrid? [wilkich84] by mightymoose
Mar 14, 2007 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: wilkich84 (Feb 26, 2007 4:42 pm)

I purchased one yesterday (March 13th) for a delivery by Monday. The dealer gave a hefty discount. I don't know what my package was called, but it came with most everything except the navigation. It has a list of $30,625 including destination, dealer took off $2121, net cost $28,504 plus tax and tags. I know everyone knows the fed. gives a rebate, does anyone know that NJ and most states give something also? It's not much, but it's a discount off ordinary income, it may be worth a few hundred in your pocket, I'm not sure, it seems vague.
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Running battery down by pathstar1
Mar 15, 2007 (6:36 am)
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Actually, you -can- "jump" a hybrid. On Toyotas and the Altima, which uses the same system, the 12 V battery that goes dead if you leave a light on, only "boots" the computers and closes the relays that connect the high voltage "traction battery" to the powerplant. Once that connection is made (the car is turned "on") the hybrid system takes over, using the traction battery to start the ICE (internal combustion engine) and charge the 12 V battery (it's charged by the electronics from the traction battery, not by an "alternator"). It takes only a few amps to get the system going.
Once going one of the two MGs (motor generators) charges the traction battery, providing power to recharge the 12 V battery as well as power to move the car (via the other MG and the ICE).
 
If you did leave a light on overnight, you would have to have the car "on" for a few hours to fully recharge the 12 V battery. BTW, fully discharging it is not good for any lead acid battery. Each time you do so it causes some damage, shortening its' life. Leaving it discharged for some time is much worse, so if you do manage to kill it, charge it up asap, either by running the car, or with a charger.
 
The Hybrid Civic can have the same problem, but they have added an extra starter motor (12 V), so if the "traction battery" goes dead you can start the ICE with the 12 V battery.
In the Toyota system, it's unlikely the traction battery will go dead. It's operated between 40% and 80% state of charge and is not allowed to go above or below those values. This is to ensure the battery lasts a long time (it's never overcharged or drained fully). I suspect the Civic is the same, so I'm not sure why they added the 12 V starter motor.
 
BTW I'm told (by a dealer( we will not see the Hybrid Altima here in Canada until June.
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Re: Compare with used Accord Hybrid? [mightymoose] by langjie
Mar 15, 2007 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: mightymoose (Mar 14, 2007 4:57 pm)

It's the connection package, but good deal! I got $1500 off for mine which STILL ISN'T HERE YET!!!! I was supposed to pick it up today, but it hasn't even been shipped yet, =T
 
Enjoy your car though
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Re: Compare with used Accord Hybrid? [happy_hybrid_1] by bogdan
Mar 21, 2007 (7:28 pm)
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Replying to: happy_hybrid_1 (Mar 14, 2007 10:13 am)

Well, I e-mailed Consumer Reports about it and received an oddly noncommittal reply that it was not scheduled to be tested. Maybe it's too new.
 
For my part I just test drove the Hybrid back to back with the gasoline 2.5S and I was impressed with both. There are minor driving differences, but nothing dramatic. For example, the Hybrid has a stiffer front suspension (3.5S suspension?) and what seemed to me like tighter, lighter steering, while the 2.5S had better low-end acceleration and more weighted, if slightly numb steering. I believe the Hybrid uses electric and the 2.5S is rack and pinion, but I can't be sure. Otherwise, the car was pretty composed on the road, the interior was quiet and well done, and the space fairly generous, with the exception of the Hybrid's trunk which seemed sliced in half. To give you an idea of space, I'm fairly tall (6'2"), but there was enough space behind the driver's seat for my daughter's carseat. She most likely will sit close enough to kick me in the back of the seat, but that's parenthood!
 
Overall the Altima Hybrid seems like a much more refined hybrid automobile than the previous gen Civic hybrid, which I have driven several times. I realize that's an apples to oranges comparison, but I'm just throwing it out there.
 
I am in the process of haggling for a Hybrid with a Convenience Package. We'll see how it goes.
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Re: Compare with used Accord Hybrid? [bogdan] by langjie
Mar 22, 2007 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: bogdan (Mar 21, 2007 7:28 pm)

good review, it is the 3.5 suspension because of the extra weight. you can get very close to invoice price for a hybrid IMO, let us know how it goes, there should be a plethora of hybrid's with convenience packages at the dealership
 
oh yeah, you only have 1 child right? Just want to make sure you don't need to pay the AMT (which would lower your tax rebate). basically as long as you don't have too many deductions, you're ok

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