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Re: First 10,000 miles [saabgeorge] by langjie
Jan 15, 2008 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: saabgeorge (Jan 13, 2008 7:02 am)

that is a good thing....it's when the odo says 52 miles that you are getting screwed
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Re: First 10,000 miles [saabgeorge] by hiwayman
Jan 15, 2008 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: saabgeorge (Jan 13, 2008 7:02 am)

Agree on all counts. Like I said, you "assume" your odometer is correct. GPS in general will always be more accurate than your odometer. There are factors which can affect the GPS, and there are factors which would appear in GPSs made by two different companies. First, the things that will affect a GPS in general....
 
GPS is, of course, actually a military system. There are two levels of accuracy transmitted by these GPS "constellations" (groups of GPS satellites). The military broadcast is accurate down to about a yard, or even less, depending upon other factors (I'll get to those in a sec). The civilian broadcast is much less accurate, and the military actually imbeds what's called a "dither factor" into that signal, so that the accuracy continually changes from a yard or two, to easily dozens of yards. This is to prevent a foreign nation from using our own technology to guide their weapons. What you will see in civilian GPSs of ANY kind or maker, is a changing accuracy caused by this dither factor. But wait, there's more!
 
GPS accuracy is also depended upon the number of satellites your unit can "see". The minimum number of GPSs your unit must be able to see to get lat/long and atiltude are 4. Cheap GPSs, then, often have just 4 channels. But your GPS can be a lot more accurate, if it can see more satellites. Thus, good GPSs often have 12 channels. Now here's the rub. GPS satellites are not geosyncronous, meaning they do not stay in the same place in the sky at all times, like TV, weather, and communications satellites do. So, at any given time, there will be a number of GPS satellites in the sky, with others popping up over the horizon, and others going out of sight over the horizon. Your GPS unit keeps track of where these satellites are supposed to be with something called ephemeris data (it's a file that uses time of day and lat/long of the unit to generate a sky map for the GPS of where the birds are). Downloading this file from a satellite is why your GPS takes longer the first time you turn it on, or after it's been stored for a while. The accuracy of that ephemeris data and how it is updated is actually closely guarded by GPS manufacturers. It is the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. Becasue of all these factors, your GPS, ANY GPS (without the inertial navigation system that NAHs have for tunnels and deep valleys) will have varying accuracy from day to day, and yes, even from minute to minute.
 
Interesting side note here. In the beginning of the second Gulf War, when we weren't sure when the military was actually going to attack, I had my GPS turned on. It's an older Garmin model which displays the dither factor. Minutes before the first cruise missles slammed into downtown Bagdad, we saw the dither factor go nuts. We knew something was about to happen.
 
OK. So you have two GPS units in your car which are telling you different things. My guess is that there is a part of the car or surrounding environment that is blocking the sky view for one of the units, making it less accurate. If your TomTom is more accurate, that's cool, but I bet if you kept using the GPSs, together, you'd find days where the NAH is more accurate.
 
One other thing you have to consider is that the two GPS systems may actually be affecting each other. GPS is nothing more than fancy radio signals. Units on the ground lock onto radio signals by generating their own radio signal, and then comparing it to the signals in the environment until it finds what it's looking for (It's actually called "superhetrodyne" for you electronics geeks). Since there is a radio signal being broadcast by each GPS unit, the OTHER unit in close proximity to it can actually be picked up, and confuse the unit. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen....
 
Additionally, the designers of the GPS systems have to make judgement calls as to things like "what is an exit?" Sounds like a simple question. But where do you place the "X" that says "exit" in your onboard maps? At the tip of the lane split? At the first curve? Half-way between one highway and another, along the exit ramp? This can be a very difficult decision, since there are so many different kinds of exits, ramps, merges, etc., etc. Obviously, since this is proprietary software, TomTom and the people that make Nissan's GPS make different decisions....
 
All that being said, I've been particularly underwhelmed with my Nissan's GPS. It has taken us on some sight-seeing trips that got us to a destination nowhere near where we wanted to go. Odd. Very odd. Now, we basically use the GPS on long trips to let us know how much farther it is, miles/time-wise to our destination (Are we therrrrrre yet?!?!)
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Re: First 10,000 miles [hiwayman] by saabgeorge
Jan 15, 2008 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: hiwayman (Jan 15, 2008 9:46 am)

More ammunition for the GPS method:
 
http://www.eagerodometers.com/advise.html
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Re: First 10,000 miles [saabgeorge] by hiwayman
Jan 15, 2008 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: saabgeorge (Jan 15, 2008 12:23 pm)

Very cool! Now if we could just be sure of how much fuel we're using.....
 
I had an interesting situation last summer. I ride motorcycles. A buddy of mine and I both have Garmins on our bikes. His is a Street Pilot (can't remember the exact model) and mine is an older GPS V. We would always show a variance between the two GPS units regarding how far we had to go to the next waypoint. I assume his was more accurate, since it was a newer unit, but over a day's course, we'd often show a difference of a mile or better. For fuel calcs over a long haul, this wouldn't even come up into the first order of magnitude, calculations-wise (wouldn't make any difference), but it's a variance, never the less.
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First 10,000 miles on my 2007 NAH by mazda6dude
Feb 06, 2008 (9:58 am)
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I reached 10,000 miles on my 2007 NAH today. Here are some stats. Average MPG was 36MPG. Drove 400 miles on a half a tank 2 times. Best MPG 39 and worst 32. Overall the experience has been great. The only problem was car pulled to the right when I first bought it, but the problem seems to be fixed. Will switch to synthetic motor oil and see if there is any difference in MPG. Very smooth, quiet and handles well.
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Re: First 10,000 miles on my 2007 NAH [mazda6dude] by irecycle
Feb 06, 2008 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: mazda6dude (Feb 06, 2008 9:58 am)

You are getting the MPG that I had hoped to get on my 2007 NAH. I also have over 10,000 miles driven, but am averaging only 30 to 31 mpg. What kind of driving do you do, for instance, how many miles per trip average, what temperature is your area and are there any hills. I used 0W20 synthetic oil at the last change and my mileage went down to 29mpg.
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Re: First 10,000 miles on my 2007 NAH [irecycle] by mazda6dude
Feb 06, 2008 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: irecycle (Feb 06, 2008 12:36 pm)

irecycle:
I do mostly freeway driving. 85% Freeway and 15% stop and go. I am due for a oil change and will get the 0W20 sythetic oil. I live in Northern,CA and right now the temperatures are low 30's at night and high 50's in the day time. I am not a aggressive driver. There are no hills. I think you lose MPG when climbing hills, but if you coast down a hill, you save gas. Overall, I take it very easy with my NAH when braking, accelerating etc. Whenever there are no cars behind me on city streets as well as the speed limit being 35MPH, I drive in EV mode. All my fillups have given me a minimum of 360 miles to the half tank. My goal is to get 38MPG. I change my air filter every 10,000miles, oil 4,000 to 5,000 miles. Also, I use fuel treatment every 10,000 miles. On my previous car, I used to rotate and balance tires every 5,000 miles, but on my NAH I will do it every 10,000 miles.
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Tire pressure. by 500e
Feb 07, 2008 (8:31 am)
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I think I may be losing mileage here and would like some input. Can someone getting 35 mpg average tell me what tire pressures they are running front and back?
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Re: First 10,000 miles on my 2007 NAH [mazda6dude] by langjie
Feb 07, 2008 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: mazda6dude (Feb 06, 2008 2:45 pm)

I used to average 36 MPG....then winter came and my mileage dropped. I'm getting about 30 MPG for a New England winter. On fueleconomy.gov, my overall mileage is still at 35...but for how long, who knows

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