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Re: First 10,000 miles [fxbor] by hiwayman
Dec 26, 2007 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: fxbor (Dec 21, 2007 6:52 pm)

The reason your gas mileage isn't very good, is because your car doesn't have time to warm up. Warm oil and warm parts have the proper friction for best efficiency. Hybrids are almost magical, but the reality is that the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) has to warm up, as do all the other bits and pieces, before the car is running at max efficiency. 5 to 8 miles isn't enough, especially in cool weather.
 
In regard to the shuddering, I live in Northern California. We've had some unseasonably cool weather just before the holidays. Frost almost every morning. In this weather, the car definitely shudders harder when the ICE kicks in, until it warms up. This is reasonable, considering that all the fluids (oils, greases, coolants) are all pretty viscous (even if the oil is a very thin 0w 20). Over longer trips, as the systems warm to their tasks, the shuddering returns to the slight bump we'd feel in the summer months. I am a backyard mechanic, and have listened for odd noises or behaviors. I don't think the harder bump is a problem. If it keeps bumping/shuddering hard come April/May, then we'll go see Nissan...
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Re: First 10,000 miles [hiwayman] by mazda6dude
Dec 26, 2007 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: hiwayman (Dec 26, 2007 10:07 am)

hiwayman do you think using 0w20 oil instead of 5w30 will make a difference in gas mileage? Also, is synthetic better? Thanks.
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Re: First 10,000 miles [hiwayman] by karolpl7
Dec 26, 2007 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: hiwayman (Dec 26, 2007 10:07 am)

Thanx for the response hiwayman, good stuff, bloody winter...
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Re: First 10,000 miles [hiwayman] by irecycle
Dec 26, 2007 (7:28 pm)
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Replying to: hiwayman (Dec 26, 2007 10:07 am)

I believe you are right about gas mileage being low when mostly short trips are made. I made a trip to the hardware store of only 5 miles one way and the ICE was running almost all the time. With the temperature around 39 the ICE seems to run even at traffic lights. I think what I need to get is a plug-in hybrid that will run on electric only for the first 20 miles or more. I am afraid that with my driving needs I will always get disappointing mileage with this hybrid.
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Re: First 10,000 miles [irecycle] by hiwayman
Dec 27, 2007 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: irecycle (Dec 26, 2007 7:28 pm)

Irecycle, In regard to your question about the oil, I believe that 0w 20, especially in winter, will give you slightly better gas mileage. If you think about it, you'll realize that thicker oil means more friction, which means the engine has to work harder to produce a given amount of power. I'm not sure how much of an increase you'll see, especially since you're driving the short distances, but thinner oil can only help. Nissan does reccommend 0w 20 for winter, and 5w 20 for hot summer, and tough conditions. I myself have trouble finding the 0w 20, and since our Nissan dealer only charges $30.00 for an oil change, I don't mess with it much. Just pay the man. My local autoparts store has offered to order cases of the stuff for me, so it is available if you want to go to the trouble.
 
Synthetic is always better in today's engines. The longer molecular chains make is slipperier for a given application, reducing friction and wear, and a condition in oil lubrication called "shearing" (that's a bad thing). Synthetic generally isn't recommended for break in, since it is so slippery that the part that would normally be polishing against each other, plus rings trying to seat don't do that break in work as well, but once you've broken the engine in, synthetic is the thing to get, if you can afford it. The one myth to avoid, though, is that you can go longer between oil changes with synthetic. That's true as far as the oil's ability to lubricate go, but remember that your engine is constantly dumping garbage into your oil, so even synthetic should be changed regularly to get that crud that the oil is carrying out of your engine. A filter will get some of it, but once the filter gets full, a relieve valve lifts in the filter, and the oil is no longer filtered. Change the oil!
 
In regard to batteries and extending the range, like everyone else (and you of course) I'm hoping for a breakthrough in hybrid technology which will extend the electrical range of the car. Out here in California there are companies which will install plug-in systems in hybrids, but the installation is currently quite expensive (on the order of $5,000 or more) and voids your warranty. Right now the technology for plug in hybrids is more for bragging rights than anything else. More work has to be done.
 
My chemical engineer friends tell me there is currently a new battery technology in testing stages which is going to make current batteries pretty pathetic, if they can get all the bugs out of the thing. Additionally, it uses some sort of foam technology which allows the battery to be molded into pretty much any reasonable shape, and the materials used are considerably lighter than current technology batteries. The implications to the automotive industry (and motorcycle and recreational vehicle) are pretty obvious. No more need to lose 1/2 the trunk space for a big brick of a battery, like we NAH owners do. The battery could be conformally mounted to the belly pan, or inside fenders, behind bumpers, or any number of places. Fingers crossed that they can get the bugs out of the thing...
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Re: First 10,000 miles [hiwayman] by townboy325
Dec 28, 2007 (2:18 am)
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Replying to: hiwayman (Dec 27, 2007 2:12 pm)

make sure u ask your dealer what grade of oil do they used on your hybrid...
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Re: First 10,000 miles [townboy325] by hiwayman
Dec 28, 2007 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: townboy325 (Dec 28, 2007 2:18 am)

At our dealership, the grade of oil used appears on the work order.
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Re: First 10,000 miles [hiwayman] by saabgeorge
Dec 28, 2007 (7:18 pm)
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Replying to: hiwayman (Dec 27, 2007 2:12 pm)

"Nissan does reccommend 0w 20 for winter, and 5w 20 for hot summer, and tough conditions.
 
highwayman
 
Where did you get this info? Everything I've read - owner's manual, shop manual, tech bulletins - the main recommendation is for 0W-20 year round. 5W-20 and 5W-30 are listed as acceptable substitutes but nowhere have I come across written recommendation to use 5W-20 in the summer instead of 0W-20.
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Re: First 10,000 miles [saabgeorge] by emgr
Dec 28, 2007 (9:18 pm)
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Replying to: saabgeorge (Dec 28, 2007 7:18 pm)

I am glad you posted it. I thought I was going crazy as I also looked in the manual, and the tech bulletins. Nowwhere did I see a recommendation for 5W-20 for Summer except as an acceptable substitute year around if you can't get 0W-20.
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Plug-in conversion by dunkmeister
Dec 29, 2007 (12:28 pm)
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Noticed a few posts about plug-in conversions and that there are some companies doing it for around $5000. I was wondering if that's practical and/or cost effective in a car that was not designed to be a plug-in. In the NAH I noticed that the battery drains fairly quickly if driven only in EV Mode. So even with a full overnight charge I suspect that you won't get more than a couple of miles down the road before the engine kicks in anyway. Plus, if I remember correctly, the control system keeps the battery in the 40-80% charge state to maximize battery life. I'm not sure how the battery technology differs in the Chevy Volt or the Tesla roadster, but I've read that the Tesla could go upwards of 225 miles on a charge if driven conservatively, which means that the batteries have to have considerably more charge capacity than that built into current hybrids.

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