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#109 of 118 Re: more analysis about Chrysler's cuts [steve_]
Nov 02, 2007 (9:49 am)
Are I ask the question: were the UAW negotiators aware of the job cuts before they approved the new contract? The reason I ask is it barely passed with the workers. I'm sure they would not have signed on if they knew 12,000 jobs would be cut.
#110 of 118 Re: more analysis about Chrysler's cuts [dtownfb]
by steve_ HOST
Nov 02, 2007 (9:57 am)
No doubt the negotiators were aware of the potential for cuts. How well the contract details were filtered down to the rank and file is debatable, but since the contract didn't pass with overwhelming numbers, I think most workers knew it was possible.
There's some contract details here:
Chrysler Stays Flexible on Products and Plants
#111 of 118 I Actually Thought...
Nov 02, 2007 (8:56 pm)
the PT Cruiser convertible would bring in some sales, but I guess not.
Did people come in looking for a PT Cruiser and walked out with a Sebring?
The Pacifica and Crossfire I can understand. But weren't Magnums going for sticker when they came out?
#112 of 118 Re: I Actually Thought... [jchan2]
Nov 03, 2007 (10:53 am)
I suspect a lot of folks that went in for a PT Cruiser convertible went to Sebrings. The convertibles never quite caught the spirit of the PT Cruiser. It's a shame. I can't see how you realistically redesign it to work.
#113 of 118 Re: I Actually Thought... [fezo]
Nov 03, 2007 (12:28 pm)
The convertible was also kind of a dumpy looking thing. While the closed version works, IMO, the convertible just doesn't. For one thing, when you need to throw in a roll bar/B-pillar, that shows a compromise right there.
One thing I'll say for it though, is that it's a roomy little sucker. One of my co-workers, who has a 300C, got a PT as a loaner when it C went in for something or other. I went out to lunch with him and another coworker that day, and sat in the back. I found it pretty comfy. Expensive, though. I think this particular model had an MSRP of around $30K.
#114 of 118 Re: I Actually Thought... [andre1969]
Nov 03, 2007 (12:30 pm)
Yeah but you could probably buy it for some where in the low 20s OTD after all incentives.
#115 of 118 Re: I Actually Thought... [andre1969]
Nov 03, 2007 (1:08 pm)
Yeah, the roll bar really kills it - looks like a basket with the top down - but it doesn't really work even with the top up. The whole image of the car is screwed up.
Too bad. I had high hopes.
#116 of 118 I Remember
Nov 03, 2007 (10:44 pm)
the rollbar. Chrysler tried dressing it up with lights in it, but it sort of ruined the open air feeling that a convertible should have...
Plus with Sebrings priced not much higher, and plenty of used ones available, I'm guessing most customers bought one of those...
#117 of 118 Re: I Remember [jchan2]
Nov 04, 2007 (8:44 am)
I'd think so. You can pick up a used Sebring very cheaply. I had a 98 Sebring for a couple of years. With the top up it's a typical rental type car. With the top down it's suddenly a lot of fun.
Sure I'd have yet more fun with a 335i convertible, but let's keep to affordable dreams....
Nov 09, 2007 (6:25 am)
I think a very high percentage of the convertibles went into rental fleets in the Sun belt.
I guess converting (sorry) the PT into a credible '40s style convert was a lot harder for the designers than starting with a clean slate, as they did with the 4 sedan. This car could become more desirable as a collector item in 25+ years than it is new. Same goes for the Crossfire. Check back with me in 2032 to see if this prediction pans out.