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Pontiac G8, BMW 3 Series, Lexus IS 350, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#58 of 102 Re: Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans With and Without Luxury Badges [holdenguy]
Apr 27, 2007 (6:43 pm)
I don't like em' enough to spend that kind of extra money on one mate. That would be $2-3K easy just for the part and shipping.
#59 of 102 Re: Pontiac competing with Lexus and BMW ???? [rockylee]
May 18, 2007 (12:15 pm)
I don't want the government to control healthcare. Look at what they've done to social security, the national deficit, getting veterans hospital care in a timely manner. The list goes on and on. The government does not need to control healthcare. Once you do that, the quality of physicians in this country goes downhill...and fast.
#60 of 102 Re: Pontiac competing with Lexus and BMW ???? [fenwah]
May 28, 2007 (12:51 am)
Well it's getting to the point only the rich will have healthcare because the government isn't doing enough to control costs.
As far as the G8, going up against BMW's 3/5 seriesand the Lexus IS, it does a great job. The G8, might lack in a few area's but once you factor in price it makes a very competitive alternative.
#61 of 102 Re: Pontiac competing with Lexus and BMW ???? [fenwah]
May 28, 2007 (11:10 am)
IMHO, the quality of physicians available to the general public in the US follows the quality of the auto manufacturers. Was great but no more.
P.S. The G8 still looks boring to me.
#62 of 102 Re: Pontiac competing with Lexus and BMW ???? [circlew]
May 29, 2007 (9:05 am)
"IMHO, the quality of physicians available to the general public in the US follows the quality of the auto manufacturers. Was great but no more."
You are kidding, right? I'll go to Germany or Japan for my cars, but point to anyplace in the world you would rather send your spouse or kids for a medical diagnosis or procedure than Johns Hopkins, Mayo or Cleveland Clinics, or University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, just to name a few.
And Rocky, throw the ambulance chasing trial lawyers into a deep tar pit and you will make a lot of headway on controlling costs. The vascular surgeon that saved my mother's life pays $175,000 per year in malpractice insurance premiums - and he's never had a single case brought against him.
Healthcare in this country is far from perfect, for sure. But in a country that can't produce a car attractive enough for my tastes and preferences in the past 30 years, I'm pretty thankful for those physicians who slug through 10+ years of post graduate school and internships and take real pride in their profession. Try finding that intestinal fortitude on the floor of a GM factory.
#63 of 102 Re: Pontiac competing with Lexus and BMW ???? [habitat1]
May 29, 2007 (10:15 am)
You are kidding, right?
No, I mentioned the general public. Not everyone can go to the top of the class medical establishments in this country. The problem is not the best in the country but the availability of the best to all. For every one top establishment and staff there are many that fall way short.
I know there is no panacea, but it's not as easy for everyone to get the best care every time. There are many less-than-average service providers.
Just like the auto manufacturers, there are good but mostly disappointing results in the past 30 years. Take Pontiac as a Division. Sad story, IMO.
#64 of 102 Re: Pontiac competing with Lexus and BMW ???? [circlew]
May 29, 2007 (11:52 am)
"The problem is not the best in the country but the availability of the best to all."
Perhaps, but it's a lot better here than most of the rest of the world. Read an article some time ago about Ben Carson, the renowned neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins. A significant percentage of his patients are of limited means, many w/o health insurance. When we took my daughter to Children's Hospital a few years ago when she broke her elbow, the waiting room was full of what obviously were people who use the emergency room as their convenient (and free) doctor's office. As I'm sure you aware, a community hospital is not allowed to turn anyone away for lack of financial ability to pay. Want to get a unique perspective on the need for immigration reform, talk with an emergency room physician. Of course it's the working class, bill paying general public that gets stiffed in the process. The average American family of 4 is actually paying for about 6.
I have been known to blast the auto industry as one of the worst examples of American business. For no good reason. It's one thing for the Chinese to steal textile jobs with 20 cent an hour wages. But GM and Ford have lost to everyone. Japan on quality and reliability, Korea on affordability, Germany on engineering and performance. The fact that Porsche makes some of the best engieered cars in the world, then ships 60%+ of them over to the United States because our market can afford them but our industry can't produce them, is just as sad as your Pontiac story.
GE, by the way, makes the best locomotives in the world in my hometown of Erie, PA. Shipping hundreds to China at a cool $3 million a pop. With union labor no less. It hasn't been easy for them to remain competitive over the years, but they've succeeded.
May 29, 2007 (12:11 pm)
I don't see anything in the title of this discussion asking for comments on immigration, health care, and jobs going overseas. Please keep your comments pertinent to the comparison of these vehicles.
Thanks for your cooperation.
#66 of 102 Re: Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans With and Without Luxury Badges [rockylee]
Jul 10, 2007 (7:56 am)
yuk ! there is nothing that would make me consider the Pontiac G8 over the 3 series car. It is precisely because of the product that I that it makes me shudder to consider the two in the same breath. My wife has had several 3 series cars over the years, and mixed into that time period we have had 3 different GM products. The contrasts between them are night and day. They simply do not belong to the same category. When BMW announced the next M3 (the V8), it became the first car in many years to capture my interest, and I will save my pennies for another year and continue to drive my beater in the mean time (wife gets the nice cars). The 3 series cars are amazing cars to drive, and have very very few comparable peers. The G8 does not belong in the same group as any of the 3 series cars. Just because the G8 has a V8, does not make it a contender.
#67 of 102 Re: Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans With and Without Luxury Badges [k
Jul 10, 2007 (8:18 am)
Agree with you,kivi. The best thing about the G8 is the car is not even available yet and we know the drill. Boring as usual. Get the Camaro out already!
The bottom line to this discussion is HAHAHAHAHA!