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#91 of 356 Re: The new Scions: 2008 xB and xD [nippononly]
May 30, 2007 (8:58 am)
Just picked it on on Friday and too a 324 mile trip for a mpg of 30.1.
This baby rides smooooth and without wind noise. Another reason for liking this is when hitting bumps on the road it is smooth compared to other vechiles driven.
The only complaints are:
- No arm rest for the passenger
- For the driver, the left arm has no where to rest logically as the bottom of the window is to high and the area where the button are is too low. Otherwise this is a great buy.
-The backseat room is great.
#92 of 356 Re: Apples and Oranges [crabbyman]
May 30, 2007 (9:22 am)
but your metro can go faster on a highway going downhill with two people
I once had a sub 2000 lb car. I can go to about 70 mph before I felt the air rushing underneath starting to lift the car. With 4 people on board, at 85, the car is still riding solid.
#94 of 356 Re: The new Scions: 2008 xB and xD [roverton]
May 31, 2007 (11:28 am)
do you have an xb or an xd? Because you posted this in the xb forum as well....
or do you have both?
Jun 01, 2007 (11:11 pm)
Sorry about posting in the xB forum. I have a kawasaki ninja
But I'm thinking about getting the xD when it comes out.
#96 of 356 Re: Apples and Oranges [nwng]
Jun 04, 2007 (1:44 pm)
"... but your metro can go faster on a highway going downhill with two people..."
The acceleration due to gravity is independent of weight. A 5 pound weight and a 10 pound weight would fall at the same speed in a vacuum. So would a feather and a cannonball. And so would a bullet whether it is shot horizontally or dropped. We experience heavier things falling faster than light things only because of air resistance affects light things more.
In the case of a Metro whose air resistance does not change, increasing the number of people inside the car's envelope does not increase the downhill speed. But putting the any people on the roof would decrease the downhill speed.
#97 of 356 Re: Apples and Oranges [aatherton]
Jun 04, 2007 (2:21 pm)
everything you said is accurate, but that metro better have a good set of brakes if it's going down hill with a full load.
#98 of 356 another short review of the xD
Jun 04, 2007 (2:34 pm)
First Drive: 2008 Scion xD
I got a little worried when I learned the new Scion xD shares its platform with the subcompact Toyota Yaris, a car purely about point-to-point transportation that's not the least bit entertaining to drive. After a brief drive in Scion's four-door hatchback, which goes on sale in August, I can safely say the new xD has a much more engaging personality than the Yaris, and it should definitely be on your list if you're shopping for a small car.
One of the Yaris' biggest problem areas is its weak, 106-hp four-cylinder engine. The xD uses a larger 1.8-liter four-cylinder that makes 128 hp, giving the car sufficient power to accelerate briskly in suburban driving. A five-speed manual and four-speed automatic transmission are offered, with the manual returning EPA-estimated gas mileage of 27/33 mpg and the automatic delivering 26/32 mpg (using the more severe EPA testing procedures that go into effect beginning with 2008 models).
The xD's suspension has a knack for damping bumps in the road while still providing a sporty driving experience. It steers with a light, sporty touch, but the steering wheel could really use a telescope adjustment to better accommodate different-sized drivers. The fabric seats were comfortable during my short drive, and over-shoulder views aren't compromised by the car's large D-pillars.
The standard 60/40-split rear seat slides back and forth and also reclines, but both of the levers that control these movements are located on the top of each backrest. This makes for awkward adjustment when sitting in the seats; levers mounted near the hips would be easier to use.
Overall, the xD is a nice package, with air conditioning, cruise control, side curtain airbags, a Pioneer CD stereo and remote keyless entry among its standard features. Pricing information has not yet been released, but it should start at significantly less than the $15,650 base price of the brand's new xB.
I wish they were reviewing the 5 speed. Auto is boring and does not have the gearing/power for big city hways.
#99 of 356 Re: Apples and Oranges [719b]
Jun 04, 2007 (2:38 pm)
I can attest to that!
Don't ask me why I did it but...I once had 5 people in that 3 cylinder Metro traveling about 35 miles. That car neither wanted to stop nor go forward too fast with all that weight in there!
Never really thought of the amount (225+100+300+130+160)..wow approximately 915 pounds of people. I think the max weight occupancy with cargo in the Metro was 300 or 400 pounds. I don't remember.
Although, I would take one of this gen's Suzuki Swift's in a heartbeat!
#100 of 356 Re: Apples and Oranges [aatherton]
Jun 05, 2007 (2:14 pm)
hmmmm... thanks for the physics lesson. Here's another one: would it take more or less fuel for the said metro to go downhill at the same speed with different number of people on board?
And another one: air travels under the metro at a pretty good clip during this downhill highway run. More air travels under the car with one person than with 4 guys which lowers the vehicle's height.(if you stick 4 adults into any compact car, it will lower the ride height at least an inch). Will that decrease the air resistance(less air goes under the car thus less air resistance) and it allows the car to go faster at the same engine speed?
curious mind inquires