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Replying to: wfhummel (Aug 06, 2007 10:01 am) I also don't like the Scion radios that look just like an aftermarket radio (meaning they may get stolen by people who think they are aftermrket stereos). |
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Replying to: stevecebu (Aug 05, 2007 6:04 am)  And they try to come off with," Its pure pricing, We can't do anything about the fees" If they try that BS on you walk away. Check out hondapreview.com for info on the diesels. Accord and civic are coming to US. Accord within 13 months, civic about 14 months. For me they are worth the wait. The xD is not a bad car by any means and a couple of months ago I was all for getting one this fall but I feel they priced it about 700 dollars to much and scion dealers in nyc are horrible with doc fees. Plus I use to sell cars and I like to get in the box and deal. No haggle pricing always falls in favor of the dealer. I promise you that. All of these things together just put me off on the xD. I've still got a 96 honda prelude with over 200k and it is still running strong so I'm going to sit back and wait for my honda diesel. Good luck with the car buying steve and always remember, the one that wants the deal the worst, gets the worst deal.
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Replying to: ohplezz (Aug 06, 2007 5:38 pm) Thanks for the suggestions. For me the xD is one of a few cars we are looking at as a second car for my wife. I hear you on the doc fees tho and if a dealer ever told me it's $300-900 I'd just say ok well, knock it down to $50 which is reasonable. If they didn't, I'd walk. I absolutely hate the way that dealers have been with the Honda Fit and many of the small economy cars. Charging full MSRP, few if any discounts. Now they have a right to do that but they will lose my business. My wife doesn't want a big car like the Accord, but if I can buy an Accord for a few grand more over a Fit or Scion it's a better deal. Unfortunately we will be screwed because when we get back to the USA we will need a car within a week. That means we will not have time to wait for a Honda diesel. We did think maybe just use 1 car for a year and then get a diesel. That is also a possibility. No doubt we are dealing from a disadvantage however there are some volume dealers in that area and when it's time to buy we will have a check in hand. So no financing which the dealers also hate. Buying a vehicle in the Philippines is also no haggle. You pay the price or you don't get the vehicle and salespeople are not on commission. They are paid about $5 daily. Which is an average daily wage. So they don't care if you buy or not. I don't want used so I might either buy upscale or buy down scale and ante up for a diesel when the come out. I just don't know yet. Once the fuel goes up the dealer gouging will hopefully get less. Limiting the Fit was a stupid move on the part of Honda and Honda salespeople are generally very snobbish and rude. Their service dept is usually great tho. I am so going to miss driving a diesel but not much I can do unless they release it in January. Thanks....
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Replying to: ohplezz (Aug 06, 2007 5:38 pm)  Mackabee
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Replying to: stevecebu (Aug 06, 2007 9:30 pm)
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Replying to: mackabee (Aug 08, 2007 8:06 pm) |
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Replying to: ohplezz (Aug 08, 2007 8:10 pm) Thanks, actually I'll be living in the boonies of New Hampshire and there is NO public transit at all!  I'm currently living and working overseas and when I get back to the US after almost 5 years I will need a car within a week. I don't have a car there and I had enough of used cars to last me 3 lifetimes unless I am going to track or offroad the car, I steer clear of used. My wife likes the Fit, we already owned a Jazz here so we are familiar with the car. My wife is partial to sports cars and basically; anything that lets me drive like a maniac!    So we need a regular car for shopping and normal city stuff, she wants an EVO for a family car. (What a Great Wife!) But the Scion xD and the Fit are dealer ripoff cars in the US, as they overcharge big for them. I paid like $12K for my 1.3L Jazz and in the US it's going to be a feast on my wallet. The EVO won't be out until March and no Mini dealers are anywhere nearby so Honda is at the top of the list and then Scion. A Civic Si would be good but I don't think my wife can drive it with the revs screaming up at 8600 rpms! not after coming out of a diesel. Also she likes torque so we'll see. I never saw a woman love to drift and smoke the tires as much as my wife does! of course she prefers this on dirt roads.... The Fit or Scion would allow me to buy the EVO unless it crazy priced. I thought about the BMW 135i but the RFT's are troublesome and no room for a spare so that's almost a deal killer right there, ditto the Cooper S. The Fit and Scion have hauling room but the seats in the Jazz were kinda hard and the Fit is the same but the Scion looks like it will have better seats. I'm still a bit concerned about it being a Yaris tho. Just in the showroom here the manual was clunky and was like stirring coal. My wife hated the manual in the Yaris, and does not want us to buy the car. She thinks the manual in my Hi-Lux is miles better. Plus snow is a factor for us and I'd hate to buy the new fugly Impreza but the base model is $18K and I might be able to swing it. I'd rather have a Honda for longevity. A hatch is better for us and we need snow tires in the winter anyway. I might buy an older WRX and RallyCross it, but that's not reliable transport that we both need right away and our free time is limited. Up there you cannot get anywhere without a car. it's mandatory and reliable is a keyword up there. Honda, Subaru, Toyota and Chevy, Ford and Dodge trucks are very common. Thanks for the suggestions.
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I drove a new xD. Being a 05 xB owner, I wanted to test the new car. I drove an auto. The xD overall is a very nice car. I would suspect that a base xD would be around what I paid for my xB with options (but not TTL). The inside was definitely lower than my car, but it was enough headroom for my 6 foot frame. The back seat was slightly less. In legroom, the front was great and the back was not bad. It was no comparision to my xB, but I was not touching the seatback either. The rear headrests need to be lowered when the back seat is unoccupied to not block your rear view. The back window is pretty small. Both the front and back seats are very comfortable. The front seats door armrest was a minus. They were too low. Shorter people should have more use with it. The center armrest is still an option. In the back seat, the door was perfect. I liked the gauges. The fuel gauge is digital. The speedometer and the tachometer are unique. I liked the creativity. The orange night lights were attractive. The stereo was awesome. I noticed 8 speakers in the car. The AC worked great and I live in FL. The most impressive thing was the ride. Its a highway car, my current xB is not. This surprised me. Its also quiet for the size of the car. Its quieter than my xB at highway speed. Even though, there is a place for a blind spot in the left back corner, I had no trouble. The rear cargo area is small though. Grocerys are fine. However, you would have to use the back seat for anything else. Vertical cargo would have to be flat, unlike my xB. In terms of power, the auto felt faster than my manual xB, but I know thats relative. I would imagine that the manual xD would be fun. The steering was very tight and responsive, but all Scions are known for this. The car comes with front and side airbags. In conclusion, I liked it and was very impressed. My xB is still the most unique (in my opinion), but the new xD is no question an improvment over the last xA or xB when it comes to ride, safety, and layout. Although, I still like my center gauges in my xB. The new xD is much closer to my xB than the new one. The styling looks like a mini matrix, but it sure doesn't drive like a matrix especially in the driving position.
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Replying to: tundradude (Aug 11, 2007 11:33 pm) I worry about how easy for me or cheap for the service guys it will be with the cramped engine compartment (but its not worse than Civic or Fit). Glad to read that it is "a highway car" as most of my driving is rural. This would be a long distance commuter car just for me, with occasional trips into the big city where the automatic would come in handy. I'd to fit my golf clubs sideways, we'll see. I found those reat head rests were in the middle of my upper back when down, but I can understand how they'd block the rear view when up (like many cars). We'll have to see how actual mileage, etc. works out. |
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Replying to: stevecebu (Aug 09, 2007 4:00 am)
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