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#1 of 356 The new Scions: 2008 xB and xD
Feb 08, 2007 (6:32 pm)
Anyone interested in talking about the new Scions? They were shown at the Chicago auto show finally. Here's some coverage:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070208/FREE/70208005/1056/a- - utoshows
The xD is the replacement for the xA (neither the xA or xB is available for the '07 model year, the ones left at dealers now are 2006s built late in '06 to cover the gap until the new models are ready). It is an obvious evolution of the xA stylistically, looking a little more "butch" but without many other major changes. Mechanically, there's big news, as it gets the Corolla's engine, with a 20% boost in power.
The new xB is my fave of the pair in terms of styling. It is close to the t2B concept from the auto show last year or the year before. It gets the Camry's 4-cylinder engine which is also the tC's engine. So it gets a lot more power, and with its brick-in-the-wind styling, I wonder just how far the fuel economy will fall as a result.
The xD is basically a current-gen Matrix in shape and mission, what with the same engine, same handling package, same body style...shall I go on? I personally prefer the looks of the Matrix to those of the xD, but I think both look nice (and of course this is Matrix's last year in its current form). I think with the xD, Toyota is trying to go head to head with the Honda Fit, which makes me wonder if it will go ahead with its rumored plans to begin selling the 5-door Yaris in the States.
I LOVE the interior of the new xB - it is bigger and more versatile, and I am a total sucker for that new IP - it covers half the dash!
The stock stereos in this pair still seem to be fairly rocking right out of the box, but interestingly I notice that despite the long list of standard equipment (especially on the xB - look at all the safety gear that's standard), there's no cruise mentioned! Surely this will be a factory option this time around? What is it that Toyota thinks younger people hate so much about cruise control? And both of these engines come with available or standard cruise control in other Toyota models.
Apart from that, any speculations on prices, which have yet to be announced? I figure the price creep might be $1000 or so, which would still put an xD manual at around $14,5 and the xB manual at around $16K. I think those would be pretty competitive at those prices.
And fuel economy, always important to me...where will that go? The Corolla's engine can make 32/41 in that car now, but of course the xD's hatchback design makes it inherently more wind-resistant, which lowers FE. And I bet the xB will be geared for speed like the tC, so I bet it only has mid-20s fuel economy, which aint that great in the era of $3 gas.
#4 of 356 .................................................?
Feb 08, 2007 (7:58 pm)
Okay.... it's very silent in here and I'm begining to feel lonely!!!!!
That's fine... I'll just wait... by myself... alone in cyberspace....
#5 of 356 Re: ?!?!?!?!?!?! [killerpiece]
Feb 08, 2007 (11:08 pm)
Hehe, yeah, I think you can count on those length and height numbers being switched!
And in the end, aren't we all alone in cyberspace???!!!
My apologies to the other person who started a thread today on the new xB. I looked up xB before I started this one, but he has his spelled Xb, so the search function didn't find it.
I like that the thing is still fairly small, but with a nice long wheelbase so that there is lots of room in the back seat like with the current model, and it's small for driving (and parking) in the city.
#6 of 356 Re: ?!?!?!?!?!?! [nippononly]
Feb 08, 2007 (11:32 pm)
Happen to agree...
I'm not ready to pilot around an Hummer, not in SoCal traffic... but then again there is something to be said for having a lot of car around you. But that's another discussion for another time
Yeah, I'm beginning to think that cyberspace, even with all it's people, is still a pretty lonely place.
Anyway, keep an eye on this thread... I will. Never been part of beginning a thread before... Kind of feel like a parent on their kid's first day of school *sniff* *sigh*
BTW, I sent you an friend invite on your CarSpace... if that's ok
#7 of 356 What a Disappointment !
Feb 09, 2007 (7:57 am)
The t2B concept car shown two years ago had lots of strange stuff but the concept of suicide doors on the drivers side with a full-length slider on the curb side was a real useful innovation. It's a shame they reverted to the old four-door theme, leaving us with just another microvan.
#8 of 356 Re: The new Scions: 2008 xB and xD [nippononly]
Feb 09, 2007 (8:12 am)
I like the bB (japanese version of xB) interior better, go to yota's japan site and check it out. I think they have to be price competitive with the Fit (at least with the xD). I don't know how they're gonna price the one with the big block.(TRD the 2.4 and run with the civic Si)
I think the new style lost the quirkiness of the original but I hope the space efficiency will make up for it.
Feb 09, 2007 (8:20 am)
Hey, someone else had the same idea at the same time and started a 2008 Scion xB thread. I'm changing this title so that we can talk about just the xD in here.
#10 of 356 Re: title change [kirstie_h]
Feb 09, 2007 (1:07 pm)
Is there any way my posts from "The New Scion xD" forum could be deleted? They were only relevant when this discussion included the xB as well...now they just don't make any sense!