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You are in the Scion xB
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Scion xB, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, Hatchback
#262 of 312 Re: 6" drop doesn't make sense [texases]
Aug 02, 2007 (1:14 pm)
I believe that the 4.5 inch and 6 inch drop for interior space was a misprint, so relax and try it for yourself.
#263 of 312 Re: 6" drop doesn't make sense [mcmanus]
Aug 02, 2007 (3:15 pm)
I did, there's a message somewhere here about it - yes, it must be a misprint, with the adjustable seat I had plent of headroom, and there are very few vehicles I can say that about. It's on my short list.
#264 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [clecayenne]
Aug 02, 2007 (6:41 pm)
If you go to Japan you can get the true bB and not the new modified tC four door wagon they are pawning off on us as the "new xB" You can see the true evolution of the bB (xB) at www.nihoncar.com or on Toyota's Japan website: www.toyota.co.jp
Don't get me wrong. I sell Toyotas and Scions and they are great cars for the money. I just hate what Toyota/Scion USA does to our market sometimes.
#265 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [mackabee]
Aug 03, 2007 (5:28 am)
The new xB has very little relation to the tC. In fact, the only part that is shared is the transmission, and it is also shared with the Camry, etc. (albeit with a different final drive ratio) Even the engine is somewhat changed; it has a slightly different compression ratio and a revised head. The chassis has no relation to the tC, it is based off the European-market Auris; which I believe has relation to the Corolla (or will to the 2008 model).
#266 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [bigfieroman]
Aug 03, 2007 (10:39 am)
No. The tC is based on the Avensis which is sold throughout the world. The NA xB is built on the same chassis, subframe, front axle, rear axle, uses the same engine and transmission. I have the literature to prove it but I would have to give you my password to get in. The Auris is a cousin of the Corolla but it's not the Corolla we will be getting for 2009. The 2008 Corolla is unchanged from the 2007 and has been on dealers lots for over a month now.
#267 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [mackabee]
Aug 03, 2007 (12:53 pm)
"The xB rides on an all-new platform similar to that of the Auris, Toyota’s funky European hatchback. This platform is larger than that of the Japanese Toyota bB on which the first-generation xB was based."
They are not on the same platform. The have a different wheel base, different wheel bolt pattern (tC is 5X100, 2008 xB is 5X114.3), different brakes (2008 xB uses Rav4 rotors), etc. This is off of Edmunds:
Exterior tC xB
Length 174 in. 167.3 in.
Height 55.7 in. 63 in.
Wheel Base 106.3 in. 102.4 in.
According to Autotrader, the tC's compression ratio is 9.6 and it has an 4-wheel independent suspension.
Also according to Autotrader, the 2008 xB's compression ratio is 9.8 and it has an independent front suspension. The rear is a torsion beam type, I know because I have looked under my car.
From trdsparks.com, you can see the independent rear suspension of the tC in this PDF (scroll down).
Here are some pictures of the NON-independent 2008 xB rear suspension.
I agree the tC is based on the Avensis...but the 2008 xB is not. Unless you figure out how to copy-paste this "literature" or maybe take a screenshot (hit the "Print Screen" button and go to edit->paste in MSpaint, save as .jpg file).
#268 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [bigfieroman]
Aug 03, 2007 (3:39 pm)
I am a Master Certified Toyota/Scion sales consultant. All my info comes straight from the source (the manufacturer).
I take what CarandDriver says with a grain of salt. I cancelled my subscription to them a long time ago.
What I said was the tC is based on the Avensis and the NA xB is just a four door tC. Look at the styling cues!
Sure they have a different rear suspension but the chassis, frame, and subframes are the same.
#269 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [mackabee]
Aug 04, 2007 (6:02 am)
First of all, the tC and xB do not look all that similar; to my eyes at least. Even if you feel they look really similar, styling cues mean absolutely nothing when it comes to platform/chassis.
One of MANY examples is the Honda Pilot / Acura MDX / Honda Odyssey / Honda Ridgeline. They are all on the same platform. Most of them look NOTHING alike.
The xB only has a front subframe, not a rear, so if they are shared, there is only one. (I don't know if they are shared, I don't have a tC to compare and cannot find pictures offhand) Also, there is no "frame" as they are both unibody cars. Assuming you are referring to the unibody when you say "chassis", there would still have to be massive modifications to the chassis to go from tC to xB. The wheelbase is 4" shorter, the roof is much higher (all of this is included in the unibody). I am sure whichever car the xB is based on required significant modifications, it is not "the same" as any car.
The Auris is within 1" in length and has an IDENTICAL wheelbase. It has a strut front and torsion beam rear suspension, JUST LIKE THE xB.
To convert mm to inches, divide by 25.4.
Look, I really don't mean to offend you, but I would tend to believe well established news sources (though they have been wrong in the past) before I would take the word of a disembodied voice from the internet.
#270 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [bigfieroman]
Aug 04, 2007 (7:05 am)
"Look, I really don't mean to offend you, but I would tend to believe well established news sources (though they have been wrong in the past) before I would take the word of a disembodied voice from the internet. "
That's just like saying "with all due respect". I am hardly a "disembodied voice from the internet." I've been on these forums since their inception and am well respected by other users and the hosts. Some of them have valued my insight and opinions so much that they've become customers. If you don't want to believe what I say that's your prerogative, and I'm ok with that. If you still have doubts go to my carspace and check it out.
#271 of 312 Re: I liked the old one [mackabee]
Aug 04, 2007 (7:35 am)
It really is nothing personal. Regardless of who someone is or claims to be on the internet, I would believe an established news source before I take their word without proof. That goes for any subject matter, any topic, any claim. I said "I don't really mean to offend you" because I didn't, I was simply stating that I don't believe everything people tell me over the internet, especially when they offer no proof.
I believe you have been around for a while, and I believe you are a sales consultant for Toyota/Scion.
That doesn't make you infallible.
Post a link, a screen shot, or copy-paste the text from the literature. "I'm right because of who I am" doesn't fly.