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#441 of 530 Re: The RAV4 [barnstormer64] by gregg_vw Nov 03, 2007 (6:01 am)
Replying to: barnstormer64 (Nov 02, 2007 6:59 pm) The new Mercedes diesel engine, also used in the Grand Cherokee, belches no smoke, is clean, doesn't have the old "diesel rattle," and has better power/torque and mileage than the comparable gas engine. What's not to like? Audi, BMW, Ford, etc. all have clean diesels now, and will soon bring them here. The new Honda Accord will soon offer a clean diesel here. These diesels will be salable in all 50 states. Some modern gas engines are not clean enough to be sold in all 50.   Sure, diesels are not a panacea. They are more expensive, and diesel fuel is as well. But an honest 45-50 mpg from a roomy sedan offsets some of that. The point is, more choices is a good thing, when gas supplies are tight. Soon enough, plugin hybrid diesels should top 100 mpg. Some years ago, Mercury was going to do a diesel hybrid. Ford dropped that ball, as they have with so many others. Replies to this message: barnstormer64 (Nov 03, 2007 5:23 pm) barnstormer64 (Nov 03, 2007 5:24 pm) gregg_vw (Nov 04, 2007 6:14 am)
#442 of 530 And the sale keep going down by gregg_vw Nov 03, 2007 (11:51 am)
October 2006 sales were bad for Ford. They had by then fully dumped the 2006-07 last run Taurus fleet machines. The Edge was being sold and the "new" Expedition was out as well. The Fusion had a yeer under its belt already. And sales for this October? Down another 16.4%. Nice going, guys. At least Mercury went up for a change, but that poor little division (with less than half the sales of GM's struggling Pontiac division) has nowhere to go other than up (or out).   Hey, think maybe that 08 Focus thing will turn it around?? Replies to this message: jeyhoe (Nov 03, 2007 1:38 pm)
#443 of 530 Re: And the sale keep going down [gregg_vw] by jeyhoe Nov 03, 2007 (1:38 pm)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 03, 2007 11:51 am) "Hey, think maybe that 08 Focus thing will turn it around?? "   Only if they recapture all the good feelings from the past and rename it the 'Pinto'.   Ford says their sales are down because they've reduced their fleet sales! How long are they going to use this excuse??? Wait'll the new Malibu starts to canibalize Taurus and Fusion sales. The Malibu is SOOOO much better than the Fusion inside and out.   So, I guess the brilliant idea of renaming the 2 blandmobiles STILL isn't working out for Mr Mulally? Well, maybe he shouldda asked ME.   Review of the NEW 2008 Edge is out. Edmunds likes it EXCEPT THE BRAKES STILL SUCK.   Oh, Ford just started another round of buyouts. Anyone with an ounce of talent better line up for this one cause a large percentage of Chrysler employees are going to be knocking on GM's door as well. Last chance for a job in the auto industry. Unless u speak Korean or Chinese.   After the latest group of Ford workers leaves, they'll miss the introduction of the new Great Ford Hope - the station wagon/minivan/crossover/stupidly named Ford Flex. Why, that'll save the company won't it? Another answer to a question no one was asking. Find a '63 Falcon station wagon and you dont have to wait for a Flex-mobile.   And as for Mercury - when you're selling squat, you've no where to go but up.
#444 of 530 Re: The RAV4 [gregg_vw] by barnstormer64 Nov 03, 2007 (5:23 pm)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 03, 2007 6:01 am) The new Mercedes diesel engine, also used in the Grand Cherokee, belches no smoke, is clean, doesn't have the old "diesel rattle," and has better power/torque and mileage than the comparable gas engine. What's not to like?   Besides the fact it's a Mercedes?
#445 of 530 Re: The RAV4 [gregg_vw] by barnstormer64 Nov 03, 2007 (5:24 pm)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 03, 2007 6:01 am) Sure, diesels are not a panacea. They are more expensive, and diesel fuel is as well. But an honest 45-50 mpg from a roomy sedan offsets some of that. The point is, more choices is a good thing, when gas supplies are tight.   But unless the total cost of ownership is less, then it's a bit pointless to get one. That's the problem with the Prius. Just get a Corolla with the 4-cylinder and stick-shift, instead. Unless you just wanna sound like a golf cart at city-driving speeds, that is. Replies to this message: gregg_vw (Nov 04, 2007 6:14 am)
#446 of 530 Re: The RAV4 [barnstormer64] by gregg_vw Nov 04, 2007 (6:14 am)
Replying to: barnstormer64 (Nov 03, 2007 5:24 pm) Well of course. But the point is with petroleum prices going through the roof and supply questions and speculation driving costs up, the cost equation is going to change. If you can get more miles from fewer gallons with gas going above $4, $5, $6 per gallon, you will see the $1,000 to $2,000 initial purchase penalty for the diesel version over the gas engine amortized more quickly. In addition, there is the unfactored payback of using less resources to get from point A to point B in the same relative comfort.   Hybrids remain questionable in that regard of course. Making the batteries and their disposal may currently be harder on the environment than driving the straight gas version. And until we stop using food sources for E85, that intelligence of that industry remains questionable.
#447 of 530 Ford's Answer to Expensive Diesels... by mschmal Nov 06, 2007 (2:59 pm)
Twin Force.   http://www.autosavant.net/search?q=twin+force   Scroll down.   Mark.
#449 of 530 2008 Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable by ronsmith38 Nov 12, 2007 (7:32 am)
Should not the 2008 Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable have a separate discussion group in the sedan forums since they are completely different from the previous versions? Replies to this message: thegraduate (Nov 12, 2007 7:36 am)
#450 of 530 Re: 2008 Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable [ronsmith38] by thegraduate Nov 12, 2007 (7:36 am)
Replying to: ronsmith38 (Nov 12, 2007 7:32 am) I believe this thread sort-of functions as that discussion at this point.

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