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What Are Your Thoughts on the Return of the Taurus/Sable?

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Re: RAV 4 Swing out. [thegraduate] by barnstormer64
Oct 30, 2007 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 30, 2007 6:16 pm)

Unfortunately, they lost the smoothness of the CVT . . . at least the OPTION to get a CVT on the vehicle.
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Re: RAV 4 Swing out. [barnstormer64] by gregg_vw
Oct 31, 2007 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Oct 30, 2007 6:50 pm)

Bottom line, it's a good buy for those who actually see a car for what it is: an appliance. It's an even better buy if you wait for certified used. However, it's a dud in the marketplace and will remain so until they dump the dumpiness.
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Re: RAV 4 Swing out. [gregg_vw] by jmn1
Oct 31, 2007 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 31, 2007 4:36 am)

The Taurus is still good in my book. The RAV-4 needs work, however. If only America's favorite SUV were more reliable, but, lost its 16-year best sales status to the Honda CR-V.
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Re: RAV 4 Swing out. [jmn1] by thegraduate
Oct 31, 2007 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: jmn1 (Oct 31, 2007 5:32 am)

I'm still confused about where the RAV is coming from in this convo?
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The RAV4 by mschmal
Oct 31, 2007 (10:51 am)
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Is an example of how Toyota can sell loads of vehicles based on their name alone. The Corolla is another.
 
The RAV4 is a packaging nightmare compared to the CRV and the Nissan Rogue. Toyota gets away with this cause people give Toyota the "benefit of the doubt"
 
My question is what has Toyota done lately to continue to deserve this "benefit of the doubt"
 
Mark
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Re: The RAV4 [mschmal] by gregg_vw
Oct 31, 2007 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: mschmal (Oct 31, 2007 10:51 am)

Regardless of whether it is deserved or not, Toyota has established a reputation that sells cars. If their products do not continue to measure up, over time people will gravitate to other manufacturers (you can fool all of the people some of the time, but not all of the time...). Sort of like when Chevrolet sat on top of the world back in the day, even though the mom, apple pie and Chevrolet stuff was largely undeserved. Of course now Chevy is clawing its way back...and doing a better job of it than Ford seems to be able to figure out right now.
 
By the way, you can get a fuel efficent 268 hp RAV4, which smacks the hell out of the power offered by the Rogue and CRV. Seems people like that combination of fuel efficiency and remarkable power. Explains some of the Avalon's success too...better fuel efficiency than a 4 cylinder Fusion out of 268 hp, not to mention a well-trimmed, well-optioned interior and full-size room in a package smaller than the Taurus.
 
If Toyota did anything wrong, it was by expanding too fast and allowing their stellar quality to sink on some models. My money is betting that they fix these obvious flaws soon. They didn't kick ass with Chevy and Ford by being stupid. Of course other manufacturers who once had the tiger by the tail (e.g., Ford) got really stupid. Toyota could do that too. I just wouldn't bet on it.
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Re: The RAV4 [gregg_vw] by barnstormer64
Oct 31, 2007 (6:07 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 31, 2007 1:10 pm)

Seems people like that combination of fuel efficiency and remarkable power.
 
If oil prices keep going up, these folks are gonna wish that the car manufacturers had re-engineered SMALLER engines to get even MORE fuel efficiency, rather than "wasting" the re-design to get more (unneeded) power and only a bit more fuel efficiency.
 
But what should I care? As the oil prices go up, so does my salary!
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Re: The RAV4 [barnstormer64] by gregg_vw
Nov 01, 2007 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Oct 31, 2007 6:07 pm)

Diesels are coming, diesels are coming! Modern European diesels are clean, powerful and fuel efficient. With oil moving above $100 a barrel, you are going to see more of those, plugin hybrids, electric cars, and turbo-supercharged small 4's coming to market. The Taurus could pick up sales, dumpy body or not, by offering a unique powertrain. After all, not too many cars look as bad as a Prius, but the darn thing sells.
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Re: The RAV4 [gregg_vw] by barnstormer64
Nov 02, 2007 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 01, 2007 4:51 am)

Diesels are coming, diesels are coming
 
Just what we need . . . . more black-smoke belching vehicles.
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Re: The RAV4 [gregg_vw] by barnstormer64
Nov 02, 2007 (7:00 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 01, 2007 4:51 am)

After all, not too many cars look as bad as a Prius, but the darn thing sells.
 
Only to idiots, IMO . . . the things don't make sense economically at all.

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