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What Are Your Thoughts on the Return of the Taurus/Sable?

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Re: Value vs Image [gtee] by barnstormer64
Feb 22, 2007 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: gtee (Feb 21, 2007 8:20 pm)

IntelliChoice list the cost of 5 years of ownership of 2007 Ford 500 limited as $38,126 .
  
Again from IntelliChoice the cost for 5 years of ownership of a 2007 Toyota Avalon XLS is: $37,711

 
They're making one HECK of a lot of assumptions, aren't they?
 
Why not look at the 2005 models? And then use what I actually paid in the calculation, instead of whatever they assumed?
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Re: Value vs Image [barnstormer64] by gtee
Feb 22, 2007 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Feb 22, 2007 7:13 pm)

I don't know which assumptions they used, but when I look at my own experience with Ford Expedition, I can tell you that it was no great deal overall. Yes I paid way less for Expedition then I would have paid for Toyota Sequoia. But now when its time to trade it in for a new car, the Expedition is worth nothing. Its almost embarrassing to admit to a dealer that you have Expedition to trade. Nobody wants them. Again its this whole image issue. Ford just has a really bad image and many people just avoid Ford cars. They are truly afraid to buy them. A friend of mine has a Ford Explorer with 200k miles on it, and its still running. But when he goes to buy a new car he is looking for Toyota or Honda. I don't know how things got so bad for Ford.
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500 by dvdlgh
Feb 23, 2007 (6:55 am)
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Poor choice by Ford. 500 is a much better name than Taurus. I love the 500 dash, reminds me of '88 Audi 80 that I once owned. GM exterior designs remind me of my aunt. You know the one with too much cheap jewelry and dime store perfume and they're basically the same as 15 years ago with tweaking here and there. GM dashes must have been designed by Rubbermade, but have improved as of late. PS: the fix for GM brakes is called aftermarket parts.
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We're straying by kirstie_h HOST
Feb 23, 2007 (7:54 am)
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...fairly far afield here. Let's try to stick to opinions about the return of the names we all love or hate.
 
If you're not a big fan, check out this carspace page:
http://www.carspace.com/xcargrl
for some rather humorous and musical videos. I quite like "the wreck of the Alan Mulally."
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500 by nvbanker
Feb 23, 2007 (7:55 am)
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the 500 name - but the Taurus name has 20 years of recognition going for it, like Camry does, Malibu and Impala do, Grand Prix do. There has been a move currently by all domestics to dump their heritage names and move to numbers, yet the Standard of the World, Toyota, keeps making Camrys. wonder why they don't rename the Camry the 400? Must be a reason....
 
I would have prefered they name the Fusion the Taurus from the start - and keep the 500 name, but improve the looks of that car - but either way, the Taurus should live on. I'm glad it's back. I do think it'll help - may not be a grand slam, but it'll help.
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Re: Good Move [barnstormer64] by albook
Feb 23, 2007 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Feb 22, 2007 7:11 pm)

Which impressed me for a few months. But now it's kinda sickening to look at, actually.
THe good thing about the 300 is that aside from being a GREAT looking car, it's stayed that way for about 4 years. Few cars sell that hot 4 years straight. That's fresh. and the Five hu- don't make me spell it!- stale and boring. I can't stand to look at that. Ii look at it on the street and say "what was ford thinking?! no one want's this! They want good looking!!!"
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Image by albook
Feb 23, 2007 (2:24 pm)
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This discussion is getting on my nerves. Let me put my $.02 in:
Image means NOTHING. If it defines you, then you are SHALLOW!It's nice to have that Bimmer 5 (trust me!). And you should own a car you like, and like to look at. It's stupid to pay that much money for something you don't like. But-as Barn..whatever was saying earlier- THis is where people mke stupid investing mistakes. Spending all their money because they think they have to compete with the guy acrossed the street and his S-class. It's fine to want it 'cause you like it- but not 'cause everyone else has it. "If everyone else was jumping off a bridge..."
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Re: Image [albook] by nvbanker
Feb 23, 2007 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Feb 23, 2007 2:24 pm)

I understand where you are coming from - but you're in the philosophical side of your head, and in that sphere, you are right. Real world, however, your car defines you to others - at least until they get to know you. The old judging a book by the cover applies here - we shouldn't do it, but fact is, we do.
 
Now, for a time, I owned an 05 Taurus, that I originally bought for my drug-addicted daughter. She, however, abused the car, abused the privilege, so I repossessed the car, smashed up front end and all, had it fixed, and I drove it from time to time. My business car is a Lexus - but under the heading of what you say, it should not matter what I drive to work.
 
However, drove it to work one day - my staff laughed at me, they told me I looked like a Democrat in it - I had a client I took to lunch in it ask me if I was doing ok, because the car didn't fit me. Quit driving it to work after that.
 
Drove it to Church Sunday. As I was getting out, a fellow parishioner came running over to me yelling, "Oh no, this is just not right, you can't be driving this"....etc...etc.
 
Sold the damn thing. Kind of liked it too. Too bad.
 
Real world is, the Taurus was too pedestrian for my reputation, evidently, and didn't work for me.
 
You may admire Donald Trump if he drove up in a 500, or a new renamed Taurus - think it was refreshing that he had gotten over himself - but it would actually be quite the joke. Just doesn't look right. And it's not just because I WANT to look prosperous, I HAVE to.
 
Renaming the 500 the Taurus works for me. I may even buy one and get laughed at some more, just for fun.
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the taurus by exalteddragon1
Feb 23, 2007 (4:41 pm)
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has lots of cool style to it, check out that new grille and healamps, also... and this is really cool, look at the crome on the sides, between the front doors and the front wheel well. This sort of stuff you see in more expensive BMW's and Cadillacs. Very nice touch. I don't think the new taurus would get knocked for poor styling, even though the front is a bit love it or hate it, and thats not ignore me lol.
 
Sucks that taurus has a bad image, this new one should not, unless ford ignores it to buyout its competition like back some time ago...
 
I don't like the fact that mullaly drives a lexus, bad image decision.
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Re: Image [nvbanker] by barnstormer64
Feb 23, 2007 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Feb 23, 2007 4:23 pm)

Real world, however, your car defines you to others - at least until they get to know you.
 
I prefer friends that want to get to know me. If they aren't willing to because of "image", then I simply consider that their loss.
 
But then I've always been that way, and sort of a "rebel". Even went tie-less at a company that required coat and tie for several years. People were amazed that I pulled that one off . . actually, so am I.
 
I look at things differently than a lot of people, I guess. When I see somebody in a nice suit and fancy car, I don't assume that they're successful. Instead, I wonder what they're trying to hide with all the fancy stuff. They remind me too much of fancy lawyers and scheisters.
 
Then again, I live in a county where the local judge doesn't wear the traditional robe when he's on the bench. And I've seen guys show up in his courtroom in shorts and a T-shirt with a hunting vest over it. Without getting thrown out, I might add. Actually, he ended up on the jury. LOL.
 
You may admire Donald Trump if he drove up in a 500, or a new renamed Taurus - think it was refreshing that he had gotten over himself - but it would actually be quite the joke. Just doesn't look right. And it's not just because I WANT to look prosperous, I HAVE to.
 
I think of guys like Sam Walton (owner of Wal Mart). I believe he still drove his old beat-up F-150 pickup around even after he'd become rich. Or guys like billionaire investor Warren Buffet, who still lives in a modest home he had years ago.
 
Anyway, back to the Taurus name . . I think it'll probably get more people to be AWARE of the vehicle . . . and that will probably at least get them to test drive it. And if they do, I think the vehicle sorta sells itself.
 
PS: I should add one thing. It's not that I CAN'T afford to buy something like an Avalon. It's that I CHOOSE not to buy it. Both my salary and net worth are in the top 5% of the US when I checked a few months ago. So, while I don't consider myself "rich", I am extremely well-off.

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