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What Are Your Thoughts on the Return of the Taurus/Sable?

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Re: lame [david123] by texases
Feb 16, 2007 (3:48 pm)
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Replying to: david123 (Feb 15, 2007 1:39 pm)

Yep - how many designs have ever been saved by desperate add-ons? I guess the fish-eye Taurus was made less offensive, but no band-aids will save the Taurus from being OK, average, but not exciting.
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Re: I Always Thought The Freestyle... [barnstormer64] by albook
Feb 16, 2007 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Feb 15, 2007 6:46 pm)

I like to look at when RATIONAL people (like myself) actually sell
Oh Please! Your not rational! Some might call you cheap. Than again, some might call those who call you cheap ill minded for spending that kind of money on a new car every 5 years. It's relativity. Just because you don't necessarily have the money to do something like this doesn't mean those who do aren't "rational."
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Re: I Always Thought The Freestyle... [albook] by barnstormer64
Feb 16, 2007 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Feb 16, 2007 4:28 pm)

Just because you don't necessarily have the money to do something like this doesn't mean those who do aren't "rational."
 
Oh, I've got the money to do it. But I prefer to spend that money on OTHER things.
 
I define my car, not the other way around.
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Re: Good Move [nvbanker] by heyjewel
Feb 16, 2007 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Feb 16, 2007 3:40 pm)

Where've u been, H? The pix of the ALL-NEW Taurus X have been around for a couple of weeks:
 
http://www.blueovalnews.com/index.php?categoryid=12&p2_articleid=484
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Re: I Always Thought The Freestyle... [barnstormer64] by albook
Feb 17, 2007 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Feb 16, 2007 4:39 pm)

Oh, I've got the money to do it. But I prefer to spend that money on OTHER things.
That's all you need to say. "TO every man his own." Som elike frequently driving new cars.
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Re: I Always Thought The Freestyle... [albook] by barnstormer64
Feb 17, 2007 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: albook (Feb 17, 2007 9:08 am)

Som elike frequently driving new cars.
 
Which is fine. But just don't go touting how much more ECONOMICAL it is do so (as they typically do).
 
Or, to put it another way, THEIR CHOICE to continually drive new cars is what forces them to buy the imports . . so they can't turn around and say that the domestics are "no good", since they'll never ever try one because of their silly spending habits.
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Re: Good Move [heyjewel] by nvbanker
Feb 17, 2007 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: heyjewel (Feb 16, 2007 8:37 pm)

Well, on the record, I still approve of changing the 500 to the Taurus. I don't like the 3 chrome bar grille Ford has universally gone to now - it's ugly, looks like the Gillette Mach 3 Razor to me.... And the new Lincolns look like a Remington Electric shaver to me..... I'm seeing a trend here, something is fishy over at Ford design studios....
 
Anyway, it's a fine car, it was as a 500, but nobody noticed. Maybe they will as a Taurus.... Way to go, ARM.
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Re: A Better Move [heyjewel] by robertsmx
Feb 17, 2007 (11:55 pm)
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Re: Good Move [nvbanker] by gregg_vw
Feb 18, 2007 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Feb 17, 2007 4:03 pm)

That's what makes the three bar grill and new Lincoln grills a "good move" (though still too small a change to change much): you hate them, and lots of people like 'em--even if the vehicles to which they are attached need work. They are polarizing. Ford needs lots more of it, if they are to survive at all. Ford needs to ramp it up, like the grill on the Interceptor and Super Chief.
 
And I'm pretty pessimistic, like many others. You can't do it with grills alone. The 08 Super Duty is a 1999 Super Duty body with an even more gargantuan grill grafted on, and a better interior. Not a formula that is working too well for Ford. The comparisons to the Tonka concept are laughable, or pathetic, take your pick.
 
Setting Ford's obvious "bonehead moves" aside a moment, there is the other problem of too many brands and models in the marketplace overall. Everyone is vying for the same customers. Kia is growing, Hyundai is growing, Mitsubishi is making a play ot come back, Audi intends to increase models and sales, Nissan has several new models just out or coming, Acura has expanded its range, Subaru has expanded its range, Volvo intends to build sales with its new models, Smart is coming, Saturn has increased its offerings, GMC is expanding into crossovers, etc., etc.
 
In all this choice and model proliferation in every segment, some have to lose out. Look at all the new models Daimler Chrysler has issued in the past year. The Jeep line has more than doubled. They have a hit here and there (the Calibur is an out of the ballpark success, and the 300 still sells well for a car that has been around since 2004), but even with lots of new product (much of it good), they are stumbling.
 
Shakeouts have to happen, and some brands may leave the US market. Ford isn't going to live unless it begins to incite some emotion in people again, and some segment standouts, as the original Taurus was, as the Mustang was (and to some degree still is), as the first Explorer was. The Edge and Fusion, as adequate to good as they are, are followers, not segment definers. It will be interesting to see if they are radical enough with the Fairlane to start a new wave. I'm not counting on it, but who knows?
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Re: Good Move [gregg_vw] by nvbanker
Feb 18, 2007 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Feb 18, 2007 7:52 am)

Good analysis, gregg - all true. Wondering why, though, you are betting on Ford to be the one to die? Now, if Bill were still in charge, I'd call the Hospice myself - but guys like Mulally don't fail - they don't blow up. He saved Boeing, he'll save Ford.....not sure what he will leave it, but it'll be alive a well, whatever it is that is left....don't count him out. I agree with you though - we are in a "consolidation needed" situation as models as well as brands are proliferating again. It's a cycle....

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