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#41 of 576 Re: The warranty [0patience] by rockfish1

Apr 05, 2007 (3:09 pm)

Replying to: 0patience (Apr 04, 2007 6:17 pm)
Injectronic is on their 5th generation scan tools and they seem to be backing their products really well.
One of the scanners I have from them is about 7 years old and upgrading hasn't been a problem so far.
 
Thanks again for the vote of confidence on Injectronic. I will add the their 9240 CJ4 Scantool/Oscilloscope to the Actron CP9190 and the AutoXray 4000. I need to do more homework on which to buy and where. I want them to cover Dodge, Ford, Saturn and Honda with GMC possibly replacing the Dodge in a year. All are ODB II vehicles.
 
But I still have time since I need to pull the money together first.

#42 of 576 Re: The warranty [0patience] by elroy5

Apr 19, 2007 (8:19 pm)

Replying to: 0patience (Apr 04, 2007 6:27 pm)
I am not a mechanic, but I have had success with code readers and factory shop manuals. My two Accords (92 & 03) have never been to the dealer, or any other machanic. I do all my own maintenance and repairs (which gladly are not many) You get the code, look it up in the shop manual, and go through the flow-charts. It has worked for me, since 91. I probably know more about my car than some of the dealer techs do. Sure the dealer techs work on Hondas every day, but they don't know my car as well as I do.

#43 of 576 Re: is there really [Mr_Shiftright] by aaronr121

Jun 30, 2007 (5:49 am)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 08, 2007 9:24 am)
So, telling the driver that his 0s sensor is unhappy doesn't really tell him a whole lot. He could replace the 02 sensor and solve nothing.
 
You are right about this, you don't see the problem, you see the byproduct of the problem. Could be the reason the O2 sensor is giving a wonky signal is because the vehicle is running too rich because the Mass Air meter is bad. But if you can't understand the data, you won't know.
 
Autozone offers the free service of pulling codes and resetting the light and OBD II code pullers are getting awfully cheap.
 
OBD II is such an improvement over the old diagnotic systems. Each manufacturer was different and that made life a pain.

#44 of 576 Re: is there really [aaronr121] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Jun 30, 2007 (8:08 am)

Replying to: aaronr121 (Jun 30, 2007 5:49 am)
Someday, in a bright and sunny land of the future where jelly beans grow on trees, automakers will STANDARDIZE a lot of parts for us that have nothing to do with styling, etc. We do not need 350 kinds of mufflers and 67 types of hose clamp and 16 types of O2 sensor.

#45 of 576 Re: is there really [Mr_Shiftright] by aaronr121

Jul 01, 2007 (4:51 am)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 30, 2007 8:08 am)
That would be WONDERFUL! It really would!
 
Not only would it save us money, but it would save them money, effort and R&D too!
 
Had that problem last week when trying to fix an A/C compressor. I tried swapping the reed valves between one Sanden and another Sanden. They were just fractions of a millimeter off. WHY!?!?! I can live with different cases, pulleys and heads on them. But why in the world are internals slightly different?

#46 of 576 Re: is there really [aaronr121] by w9cw

Jul 01, 2007 (9:14 am)

Replying to: aaronr121 (Jul 01, 2007 4:51 am)
A number of manufacturer's should follow Hyundai's practice for the D-I-Yer. The 10yr/100K warranty remains valid for any D-I-Yer as long as you have supported receipts, the Owner's Manual has a dedicated section for owner-provided maintenance, and the Hyundai website has ALL service and tech information available for all owners, including all DTC codes - generic and proprietary. Plus, they have internet-based ordering of parts, shipped to your dealer of record - directly from their Parts website.
 
As one who's owned primarily European cars in the past, and appreciated the generally well-written, arranged, and thorough shops manuals for those who prefer doing their own work, the Hyundai approach is refreshing.
 
One of the better, and yet affordable, OBD-II diagnostic scanners is the Equus Innova 3130, typically available brand new on eBay for around $160. It's compatible with all current communications protocols.
 
http://www.iequus.com/product_info.php?product_id=3130&category_id=1_10_7

#47 of 576 The "Code" is only the first step by elroy5

Jul 16, 2007 (6:28 pm)

People think if they have the code and the description, the problem is solved. Not even close. You need to have a shop manual, some minor diagnostic tools (multimeter, vacume pump/gauge), and other basic tools. The code only narrows down the possibilities. You still have to do some troubleshooting.

#48 of 576 Re: The "Code" is only the first step [elroy5] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Jul 16, 2007 (10:24 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 16, 2007 6:28 pm)
There isn't a computer in the world that can tell you exactly which component has failed. Someday maybe.

#49 of 576 Re: The "Code" is only the first step [Mr_Shiftright] by elroy5

Jul 18, 2007 (6:25 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 16, 2007 10:24 pm)
That would be great. The car would display exactly what is going out. Ex: Your battery is about to go out. Estimated time of demise, one month. It would give you time to shop for another battery. Of course a car this smart would not be affordable, at least not by me.

#50 of 576 Re: The "Code" is only the first step [elroy5] by 0patience

Jul 24, 2007 (6:36 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 18, 2007 6:25 pm)
Sometimes the first step should be a visual inspection.
I've tried to get this through many young mechanic's heads that no matter what, a visual inspection should be the first check, then if it is a performance issue [check engine light on], then pull the code and do another visual inspection.
 
I have had many vehicles that the check engine light was on and the visual inspection caught the broken vacuum hose or disconnected sensor connector.
 
And even guys who have dealt with the same vehicles over and over need a good diagnostic chart for trouble codes.

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