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Right To Repair - A Hot Issue or Big Problem?

133 messages,  Last post on Oct 06, 2009 at 3:25 PM

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Re: I've even heard.... [0patience] by volvomax
Oct 17, 2007 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: 0patience (Oct 15, 2007 3:33 pm)

nteresting. Beings as the programming is sent from Volvo to the dealer's computer to the vehicle through an interface. Curious as to how an independant can get Volvo to do that, when they won't even do it for large fleets who make the provisions part of their contract.
 
Hmm.
I don't think that you know how Volvo does their software downloads.
Which, if you were factory trained you would know.
Volvo uses VIDA, which is an internet based system.
That means anyone who can access the web address, and get Volvo's operational software downloaded to their PC or laptop can use the system.
 
See what I mean about Indy's not being up to spec?
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Re: I've even heard.... [steve_] by volvomax
Oct 17, 2007 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 15, 2007 10:53 am)

the problem with that is that most people simply aren't savvy enough to know HOW to apply that information.
People screw up their computers all the time because they try to change something and don't know how to do it.
Cars are not different. They are just rolling computers.
Imagine how pissed you would be if you downloaded, say a software update for the suspension module and you Xenon headlights went off aim. Which has happened.
Without the proper training, you would know that you have to re-calibrate the headlight aiming.
Volvo( or any other car co.) simply can't take the time to make their software idiot proof, or lay person friendly.
Nor can they set up the necessary hot lines so cutomers can fix what they screw up.
sometimes it can take the dealer days to hear from volvo baout a software issue.
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Re: I've even heard.... [volvomax] by 0patience
Oct 17, 2007 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Oct 17, 2007 9:33 am)

Volvo uses VIDA, which is an internet based system.
That means anyone who can access the web address, and get Volvo's operational software downloaded to their PC or laptop can use the system.

Yep, seems that both VIDA and VCADS Volvo will not allow downloads outside of the dealer's computers. Or at least they haven't. That was the information that we were provided.
 
If that has changed in the last year, then that is good to know.
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Re: I've even heard.... [volvomax] by 0patience
Oct 17, 2007 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Oct 17, 2007 9:38 am)

the problem with that is that most people simply aren't savvy enough to know HOW to apply that information.
That is arrogance at its best.
 
To be honest, I pay little attention to the automotive part, mostly because trucks are what I do.
If it weren't for the truck portion of Volvo, they'd be just another car to me.
 
The whole point of this thread is the "Right to Repair Act".
Not, "I can puff my chest up further than you".
 
So, if you want to get back on track with the discussion, that would be nice. If not, then I am wasting my time with this discussion.
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Re: I've even heard.... [0patience] by volvomax
Oct 18, 2007 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: 0patience (Oct 17, 2007 4:11 pm)

It's not arrogance, its the truth.
 
You are a shining example.
Volvo Truck is completely separate from Volvo Cars.
They have different owners,different everything.
 
You have a little info, on a completely different company,and you are not applying it properly.
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Re: I've even heard.... [volvomax] by 0patience
Oct 18, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Oct 18, 2007 9:14 am)

Yep, I am a shining example.
You are welcome to have your opinion.
You're right, I don't know anything at all.
I bow to your almighty knowledge of cars, you sure told me.
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Hey guys by pat HOST
Oct 19, 2007 (7:46 am)
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You don't have to see everything the same way, but let's not make this personal, please.
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Re: I've even heard.... [volvomax] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 21, 2007 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: volvomax (Oct 18, 2007 9:14 am)

I have to confess that while I am totally in favor of giving the consumer access to whatever information he wants, I'm not so sure I really support the American system of auto repair, which would allow a 12 year old to open up a garage and work on your brakes, should you choose to let him.
 
However, I sure don't want another regulatory body in place, so I don't know how to solve the issue.
 
Perhaps you'd require at least an automotive degree in order to get a business license?
 
You can't (theoretically) do commercial electrical contract work without a license, so why can you work on brakes commercially with zero zip zilch training?
 
And defense of "free market" doesn't work for me so well, because any fool can hang a sign out that says "Brake Experts" with no supervision or penalty unless they kill someone.
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Re: I've even heard.... [Mr_Shiftright] by 0patience
Oct 21, 2007 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 21, 2007 8:00 am)

I do agree with you on that point.
State certifications should b required, just like electricians, plumbers, etc.
Funny thing is, I had to get a license to work on LP/Natural gas plumbing on some of the trailers, but don't have to have it to work on LP powered engines.
Makes a lot of sense.

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