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Right To Repair - A Hot Issue or Big Problem?

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Re: The warranty [rockfish1] by 0patience
Apr 04, 2007 (5:17 pm)
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Replying to: rockfish1 (Apr 04, 2007 5:33 am)

Injectronic is on their 5th generation scan tools and they seem to be backing their products really well.
One of the scanners I have from them is about 7 years old and upgrading hasn't been a problem so far.
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Re: Right To Repair - A Hot Issue [pmurray] by 0patience
Apr 04, 2007 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: pmurray (Apr 04, 2007 12:41 pm)

I currently own a Honda Odessey and a Chev. Colorado. Both have oil service lights. The Honda owners manual tells you how to reset, with Chev. it is top secret. When I called my dealer they put me on hold forever and told me no one knew how. That is either scarry or.....just annoying.
The Chevy oil change reset on post 96 vehicles is in the owners manual.
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Re: The warranty [Mr_Shiftright] by 0patience
Apr 04, 2007 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 04, 2007 7:16 am)

As far as OBD2 scanners and code readers, you should be able to pull generic codes on most vehicles. "
Generic codes are P0100-P1000 diagnostic codes.
 
The part where it gets sticky is the proprietary or manufacturer specific codes. Those are parts that are proprietary to the specific manufacturer.
 
A lot of the newer scanners in the $300-$600 range will have the manufacturer codes for at least Ford, GM and Chrysler. Some are now carrying the manufacturer codes for Toyota and there are a few that carry the manufacturer specific code information for Honda.
 
For the most part, emissions codes are in the P0100-P1000 range, so most scanners will handle them.
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Re: The warranty [0patience] by rockfish1
Apr 05, 2007 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: 0patience (Apr 04, 2007 5:17 pm)

Injectronic is on their 5th generation scan tools and they seem to be backing their products really well.
One of the scanners I have from them is about 7 years old and upgrading hasn't been a problem so far.

 
Thanks again for the vote of confidence on Injectronic. I will add the their 9240 CJ4 Scantool/Oscilloscope to the Actron CP9190 and the AutoXray 4000. I need to do more homework on which to buy and where. I want them to cover Dodge, Ford, Saturn and Honda with GMC possibly replacing the Dodge in a year. All are ODB II vehicles.
 
But I still have time since I need to pull the money together first.
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Re: The warranty [0patience] by elroy5
Apr 19, 2007 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: 0patience (Apr 04, 2007 5:27 pm)

I am not a mechanic, but I have had success with code readers and factory shop manuals. My two Accords (92 & 03) have never been to the dealer, or any other machanic. I do all my own maintenance and repairs (which gladly are not many) You get the code, look it up in the shop manual, and go through the flow-charts. It has worked for me, since 91. I probably know more about my car than some of the dealer techs do. Sure the dealer techs work on Hondas every day, but they don't know my car as well as I do.
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Re: is there really [Mr_Shiftright] by aaronr121
Jun 30, 2007 (4:49 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 08, 2007 8:24 am)

So, telling the driver that his 0s sensor is unhappy doesn't really tell him a whole lot. He could replace the 02 sensor and solve nothing.
 
You are right about this, you don't see the problem, you see the byproduct of the problem. Could be the reason the O2 sensor is giving a wonky signal is because the vehicle is running too rich because the Mass Air meter is bad. But if you can't understand the data, you won't know.
 
Autozone offers the free service of pulling codes and resetting the light and OBD II code pullers are getting awfully cheap.
 
OBD II is such an improvement over the old diagnotic systems. Each manufacturer was different and that made life a pain.
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Re: is there really [aaronr121] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 30, 2007 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: aaronr121 (Jun 30, 2007 4:49 am)

Someday, in a bright and sunny land of the future where jelly beans grow on trees, automakers will STANDARDIZE a lot of parts for us that have nothing to do with styling, etc. We do not need 350 kinds of mufflers and 67 types of hose clamp and 16 types of O2 sensor.
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Re: is there really [Mr_Shiftright] by aaronr121
Jul 01, 2007 (3:51 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 30, 2007 7:08 am)

That would be WONDERFUL! It really would!
 
Not only would it save us money, but it would save them money, effort and R&D too!
 
Had that problem last week when trying to fix an A/C compressor. I tried swapping the reed valves between one Sanden and another Sanden. They were just fractions of a millimeter off. WHY!?!?! I can live with different cases, pulleys and heads on them. But why in the world are internals slightly different?
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Re: is there really [aaronr121] by w9cw
Jul 01, 2007 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: aaronr121 (Jul 01, 2007 3:51 am)

A number of manufacturer's should follow Hyundai's practice for the D-I-Yer. The 10yr/100K warranty remains valid for any D-I-Yer as long as you have supported receipts, the Owner's Manual has a dedicated section for owner-provided maintenance, and the Hyundai website has ALL service and tech information available for all owners, including all DTC codes - generic and proprietary. Plus, they have internet-based ordering of parts, shipped to your dealer of record - directly from their Parts website.
 
As one who's owned primarily European cars in the past, and appreciated the generally well-written, arranged, and thorough shops manuals for those who prefer doing their own work, the Hyundai approach is refreshing.
 
One of the better, and yet affordable, OBD-II diagnostic scanners is the Equus Innova 3130, typically available brand new on eBay for around $160. It's compatible with all current communications protocols.
 
http://www.iequus.com/product_info.php?product_id=3130&category_id=1_10_7
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The "Code" is only the first step by elroy5
Jul 16, 2007 (5:28 pm)
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People think if they have the code and the description, the problem is solved. Not even close. You need to have a shop manual, some minor diagnostic tools (multimeter, vacume pump/gauge), and other basic tools. The code only narrows down the possibilities. You still have to do some troubleshooting.

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