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#119 of 133 Re: slowly winding its way to the legislators.... [estreka] by steve_ HOST Apr 30, 2008 (8:00 am)
Replying to: estreka (Apr 30, 2008 7:48 am) I've seen a few of those headlight replacement horror stories, so any movement to fix idiotic stuff like that would be welcome.
#120 of 133 Re: the electronic generation of cars [0patience] by krony May 09, 2008 (3:07 pm)
Replying to: 0patience (Nov 28, 2007 4:49 pm) great story, as they say..."common sense isn't so common anymore"
#121 of 133 New Jersey moving forward by steve_ HOST Oct 30, 2008 (7:59 pm)
New Jersey's motoring consumers were granted "car repair" relief when three out of five Assemblypersons in the Consumer Affairs Committee today voted to pass The Motor Vehicle Owners' Right to Repair Act, A-803.   The legislation allows motorists to choose where, how and by whom to have their vehicles repaired, even work on their vehicles themselves. Vehicles are equipped with computers that control the repair and service information on vital systems such as, but not limited to: air bags, brakes, steering mechanisms, tire pressure, oil changes, electronics, check engine lights, transmissions and fuel injection."   NJ Assembly Consumer Affairs Committee Passes Pro-Consumer, Pro-Competition 'Right To Repair Act' Replies to this message: qbrozen (Oct 31, 2008 5:48 am) steve_ (Oct 31, 2008 9:07 am)
#122 of 133 Re: New Jersey moving forward [steve_] by qbrozen Oct 31, 2008 (5:48 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Oct 30, 2008 7:59 pm) Soo.... I don't get it. What does this do? I am not aware of any programming or tools that are not already available ... for a price. The article doesn't state what actions, if any, will be taken as a result of this "Act." Will manufacturers be forced to provide software for free? I seriously doubt it. Dealerships don't get it for free, so why should indy shops?   The only example I can use to relate to this is the indy Volvo shop I used to frequent. There was nothing they couldn't do that the dealership could do ... but they needed to invest in the same equipment as the dealer. For Volvo, that meant having the VADIS software. Very expensive, from what I understand. Replies to this message: steve_ (Oct 31, 2008 9:07 am)
#123 of 133 Re: New Jersey moving forward [qbrozen] by steve_ HOST Oct 31, 2008 (9:07 am)
Replying to: qbrozen (Oct 31, 2008 5:48 am) Some of the shop owners complain that they invest big bucks in the equipment and software, only to discover that pieces of the software diagnostics are missing. Meanwhile the dealers get the complete set of tools.   The article is a bit misleading too - it sounds like the Act just got through committee and hasn't been passed or signed off on by the governor.   I want a wireless OBDII gizmo that will let my car talk to my computer so I can then upload the parameters to the forum or Edmunds Answers or the dealer or my indy mechanic and have someone decipher the results.   It's easy to run a program like HijackThis and upload the results to the net, and 10 tech heads will jump in and tell you what's going on with your computer for free. I want that for my car and maybe right to repair legislation will make the automakers go that way.
#125 of 133 Diagnosis machines by euphonium Dec 15, 2008 (11:25 am)
While under warranty the local dealer kept throwing BMAP sensors into the car to stop the Rich combustion. The small dealer with a small shop used a portable diagnostic console to no avail.   I took it to a dealer in Tacoma who used a huge stationary diagnostic machine that provided a long printout.   After reading the Tacoma printout, the local service manager had a new computer installed under the dash and that fixed the problem. He said the Tacoma machine cost too much for them to invest in, but up there the quantity of business paid for it.
#128 of 133 make information and tools available to independent repair shops by steve_ HOST Oct 01, 2009 (7:12 pm)
"TORONTO - Automakers have agreed to allow independent garages access to the key software and training needed to repair newer-model cars, but the auto-repair industry says the voluntary agreement has no teeth.   Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement said Tuesday the agreement over what is called the right to repair will cover all Canadian auto manufacturers and distributors and will make for more competition and lower repair bills for consumers.   "The agreement will make information and tools available to independent repair shops . . . for the repair of all vehicles," Clement told a news conference in Ottawa on Tuesday.   "Often, fixing vehicles today is more about the car's computer system than it's about nuts and bolts and so, in order to repair and service newer vehicles, there are highly specialized and specific tools that require technical training and diagnostic information," he added.   Proponents of the agreement say it gives consumers the choice to get their vehicles repaired wherever they want once their warranty has expired, but the independent auto-repair industry says there will be no guarantees unless the right to repair is enshrined in legislation."   Automakers to give access to key software; repair shops say deal lacks teeth ( NBBusinessJournal.com) Replies to this message: hpmctorque (Oct 02, 2009 5:05 am) steve_ (Oct 02, 2009 9:40 am) hpmctorque (Oct 03, 2009 12:18 am) and 2 more...

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