Last post on Mar 31, 2007 at 3:26 AM
You are in the Cadillac STS/STS-V
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Cadillac STS, Sedan
#13 of 22 Re: 2008 STS Changes? [pri]
Feb 12, 2007 (6:19 am)
Well I hope GM, builds you a car like you want.
#14 of 22 Re: 2008 STS Changes? [rockylee]
Feb 12, 2007 (7:30 am)
Upper middle class are people with incomes over $100,000 per year. Middle class are people whose incomes range from about $30,000 to $90,000. Lower middle class would be somewhere from $25,000 to $40,000. A lot depends on where you live, I live in a State whose average income is 50th of all the states.
#15 of 22 STS affordable?
Feb 12, 2007 (7:31 am)
I think the middle class can afford the V6 STS program cars.
#16 of 22 Re: 2008 STS Changes? [sls002]
Feb 12, 2007 (12:13 pm)
Not a bad lay-out. I agree it all depends on where you live.
Feb 20, 2007 (1:29 pm)
If the next STS, whatever and whenever they decide to release it, will have the same leap from the curent model as the 2008 CTS has over its own, then Cadillac has the chance to wipe the floor with its competition.
Here is what I think that means:
A more elaborate, softer and cooler looking interrior with metallic and wood materials, leather in the doors, and cool ambient lighting, possibly driver selectible.
More rear seat room. The current version has a problem with that, specifically, I sat in an STS, and found it cumbersome to get out from the back seat. Now, if this was a pontiac G6 or a Honda Accord, I would not find any problem with it, but on a 50 - 60K car, it should pick you up and sit you down itself
A much better engine. There is nothing wrong with the curent Northstar, but the engine is a big deal. The japanese are really on the ball with this, and so are the germans. Cadillac and Ford both have great new V6's, with GM's bieng the best in the CTS at 300hp. This should be the base engine, with a V8 redone to 400hp and possibly 4.8 or more than 5.0 liters, with all the advancements of the new DIrect Injection V6.
They should keep all of the current features, including the HUD system. GM needs to martket this feature, It really sets the STS appart, and meybe GM could expand on this idea by adding come more features to the HUD and filing some more patents.
Any new features would be welcome, as long as they are easy to use and sound cool (for some, its what luxury is all about).
And don't loose the focus on quality. This is the biggest sellar next to fuel economy, performance, etc. It's very important to test the car over and over again untill it tops the charts.
What do you think?
#18 of 22 Re: 2008 [exalteddragon1]
Feb 24, 2007 (2:05 am)
It needs to 2008' Chinese interior to be a world beater.
#19 of 22 Re: 2008 [exalteddragon1]
Mar 26, 2007 (7:17 pm)
Dragon, I think you have a good post. I bought GM cars for a long time, but have gone over to Audi then BMW because they made cars I WANTED TO DRIVE. Caddy has absolutely blown it with the STS, because many of the features that would make people want to drive it come packaged at ridiculous prices which include things people do NOT want. I recall a 1967 Pontiac Lemans that I bought new that had an order sheet with no packages, just the options. You could pick and choose between HD suspension, bigger wheels/tires, dual exhausts, various radios, etc. Yes, the world in more complicated these days, but if Caddy would take all their Nurburgring goodies and let people buy them without a lot of stuff they don't want/need, they would sell more cars.
#21 of 22 Re: 2008 [pearl]
Mar 30, 2007 (8:46 pm)
1. Agree: No more "option packages".
2. I just saw the preview photos of the 2008 STS. Ugly! Get rid of the side 'bling' (bright gills and door handles)! Make them the same color as the body. The gills look like they belong on a Buick.
#22 of 22 2008 Refresh
Mar 31, 2007 (3:26 am)
All I can say is: go, GM.
I'm not a big fan of bling either, but at least GM is introducing new models (CTS) and refreshing older ones (STS) to have a more consistent look at the same time.
I agree that the next-gen STS has a potential to be a knockout. This current, refreshed one is a great vehicle in many respects but lacks the WOW factor and presence that afforded the 1992 model so many design awards (both interior and exterior, remember?). I'm sure this is partly because that model had nothing in the Cadillac line that was a stylistic counterpart at that time.
When the current-gen STS made its debut, many casual observers just thought it was a plainer looking CTS.
Cadillac has really set the bar high for themselves with the new CTS. Somehow, they need to find a way to keep the familiar DNA in the next-gen STS while making it distinctive enough for people to know upon the first glance that this car is even more special than the baby brother CTS. They're on a roll. I think they can do it.