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Honda CR-V, Hyundai Santa Fe, Car Comparisons, SUV
#21 of 106 Re: Crv vs Sante Fe [davesuv]
Feb 13, 2007 (12:38 am)
Thanks for the insightful reply, enjoy the discussions on Edmunds, I'll share your comments with my wife. She loves Hondas and has owned a couple, but simply found the Pilot too much and we don't need or want the 3rd row seating becoming the latest hot selling point. The Passport saved me in a snow storm recently so I'm unwilling to give up on some form of AWD to give us a chance of making it home. Rare that we get that much snow here, but if only hits a few days of the year, it's worth the extra expense.
I do own a 2004 Toyota Tacoma dblcab, it's my transport to work and back a whole 5 miles, weekend chores, light object transport, etc. I'm completely happy with it for those tasks but it is not for cross-country travels...and it is not 4WD, so we need at least one vehicle to tackle a snow day.
I like all the gimmicks into the Outlander, but I also know a lot of that stuff breaks - any car pumped with a lot of technology, not to pick on Outlander. I learned that lesson with my 96 VW Passat wagon, it was loaded with everything, but it all started to fall apart way too soon, those german parts are expensive. Too add a final insult 2 weeks before I got rid of it another door handle snapped the latch in my hand..arghh..another annoying trip to the dealer and day in the shop, it was small, but I and others could write a book on history of Passat problems, enjoy the VW marketing, but completely done with ever owning another.
I looked at a Highlander 06 last summer, when I should have bought it before replacing the rear-bearings on the Passport.
The Santa Fe like you said looks like it might have that spark of fun to drive over the otherwise competent to our needs Highlander. I haven't priced them out yet, but I'm sure the Toyota is going to be more $$ loaded.
By the way, I looked at the new Mazda CX9, it is probably the nicest of the lot in a loaded model that I've seen..lots of wow to me, the price climbs over my limit and there's a severe mpg penalty for the AWD version.
My parents bought a Hyundai Elantra loaded as a 3rd vehicle for mpg commuter car, overall they've been happy with it, and my dad has always been a hardcore GMC or Chevy truck owner and has a GMC diesel truck loaded, there's some contrast in driving. The Elantra has been good, but it did develop a bad window (water) leak that turned out to be some fault in missed seal area of the window, dealer fixed it and fine.
What about the cabin noise in your Highlander vs Santa Fe, same?
#22 of 106 Re: Crv vs Sante Fe [stevecar]
Feb 13, 2007 (11:33 am)
Forgot to mention that the car I'm likely to get to replace my CR-V, the Toyota Camry Hybrid, has traction control as does my husband's Honda Accord (which he got to replace the Santa Fe). His traction control seems like a sufficient alternative to my Honda's AWD. I've already read tons of posts on various forums relating to hybrids to know that the Toyota Camry Hybrid (or TCH as many call it) has traction control that will suit my purposes just fine in this land of snow and hills. Just wanted to point that out in case you're interested.
My brother in law just got a Prius and loves it. It too has traction control. His wife my sister has a Toyota Highlander and I believe it too has that. She's thrilled with hers.
I just want something that is roughly the same size not enormously bigger, but with more bells and whistles and better gas mileage, so TCH here I come!
I've found it really useful to use the edmunds.com comparison charts when trying to decide between vehicles. You can see right there in black and white what exists or doesn't on each one that interests you. Much easier than trying to compare the elaborate car booklets the carmakers publish, glossy though they are.
Best wishes with your car choice!
#23 of 106 Re: Crv vs Sante Fe [swv]
Feb 13, 2007 (12:58 pm)
"My brother in law just got a Prius and loves it. It too has traction control. His wife my sister has a Toyota Highlander and I believe it too has that. She's thrilled with hers."
Traction Control is not the same as AWD. For one thing, it only operates at slow speed (in general).
The Prius had problems in the snow (there were reports a couple of years ago). It seems that the TC would cause the car to refuse to move when the front wheels were on ice or packed snow. I think they updated the computer on the Prius, but I would ask about the Camry hybrid before I bought if I were you.
I have used TC very successfully in snow, but I would have preferred AWD. My previous vehicle was a 2003 CR-V EX, and I had the AWD kick in quite a lot. It was especially valuable at speed in rain storms, where TC would not be engaged. My current cars is a Ford Freestyle, FWD only. I had it in Albuquerque last month in heavy snow. I only got stuck once, but I slid around a lot more than my CR-V did in similar circumstances.
My opinion is that TC is OK for occasional snow, but if you live in a "snow belt" area, AWD is preferable.
#24 of 106 Re: Crv vs Santa Fe [davesuv]
Feb 15, 2007 (8:27 pm)
Santa Fe test drive today... impressions.. overall I liked it better than the CRV and Outlander, CRV was out on other counts, Outlander I held some promise for as I like all the technology and gadgets but those are not a good fit I know for my wife. I enjoyed the QUIET ride a marked improvement over the road noise, I heard too much noise both in the CRV and Outlander, a major item for me. It felt more responsive on the freeway and climbing up a steep hill no struggles. Overall happy with the ride and I think would be completely comfortable with 2-8 hrs driving. Controls easy reach and read, uncluttered, seat warmer buttons could be closer but not a big deal. I've never owned a car with electric seats, so it was comfortable, all adjustable including lumbar support, my wife a bit shorter so she can pump it up high and has a similar stance to the Passport command view. Plastics are a bit hard side, remind me a lot of Ford plastics. I think in tan interior might be hard to keep clean or scratch free plastic. I think we would go for an all black interior but the car in black paint or dark colors didn't look good to me, I was driving a red one, I need to review what options on exterior/interior color. I saw posting elsewhere about the Bridgestone Dueller tires, I talked a little bit about removing those, didn't like them had them on the Passport. If we were to get this, I'd have to look into the Michelin LTX M/S tires which where were a dramatic improvement on the Passport and added an even more quiet ride well worth the extra $. I wonder if any other makes sell vehicles with Michelin standard?
Next up, wife needs to take a test on her own, and then a Highlander test drive. So far we've driven CRV, RAV4, Outlander.
#25 of 106 About the CR-V, Santa Fe, & Highlander
Feb 16, 2007 (5:17 am)
A few posts ago I mentioned that I thought both the Prius and the Highlander were equipped with traction control. I was wrong. The Prius has it, as does our new Honda Accord which replaced a Santa Fe, and as will my new Toyota Camry Hybrid. The Highlander has AWD as does my CR-V.
If switching from a vehicle with AWD to one with traction control, apparently the type of tires one buys makes a difference, as does one's willingness to learn to drive a little less aggressively if driving a hybrid.
So just wanted to correct my mistake about the Highlander.
If there were a small or really small SUV with AWD, fab mpg (37 or better), low emissions, and lots of fun bells and whistles such as moonroof, heated seats, dual climate controls (I like it cozy, my husband likes it arctic), optional satellite radio, and other stuff, I'd be seriously considering that. There are vehicles that have some but not all of those features. The vehicle that comes closest for me is the Toyota Camry Hybrid, which I have every reason to believe will be as good as or better than my CR-V has been.
Happy auto purchasing! Best wishes, SWVSINGS
#26 of 106 Re: About the CR-V, Santa Fe, & Highlander [swv]
Feb 16, 2007 (8:35 am)
I like all of the requirements that you listed. The Camry hybrid is a terrific choice, except it doesn't have 4 WD or the space of even a small SUV. Once you list high mpg, it eliminates mostly everything. You may want to consider the highlander hybrid. Pricewise it's significantly more costly than the Camry Hybrid, but it gets good gas mileage and it has the other requirements.
#27 of 106 Re: About the CR-V, Santa Fe, & Highlander [swv]
Feb 16, 2007 (2:34 pm)
"The Highlander has AWD as does my CR-V. "
2007 Highlanders have optional AWD; 2008 models all have AWD standard.
#28 of 106 Re: About the CR-V, Santa Fe, & Highlander [swv]
Feb 16, 2007 (2:35 pm)
"If there were a small or really small SUV with AWD, fab mpg (37 or better), low emissions, and lots of fun bells and whistles such as moonroof, heated seats, dual climate controls (I like it cozy, my husband likes it arctic), optional satellite radio, and other stuff, I'd be seriously considering that. There are vehicles that have some but not all of those features."
A fully equipped Ford Escape Hybrid would come close, but would probably yield only early 30's MPG. I have seen some reports of 35-38 for this vehicle. Unlike the Highlander, it has an I4 instead of a V6 engine. However, the Escape would vastly beat the Camry Hybrid for cargo room. I think the Camry has 10 Cu ft, where the Escape has around 30+ cu ft.
#29 of 106 Re: About the CR-V, Santa Fe, & Highlander [stevedebi]
Feb 21, 2007 (10:09 am)
I started this discussion over a week ago. Considering Hyundai is willing to deal and has a $1000 rebate you could get a 4WD Ltd with no extras for somehwere under 25k. A similarly equipped CRV w/O Nav, a 4wd ex-L is selling for sticker 26,500. Except for the fact that the CRV is a Honda, has a higher resale value and gets better gas mileage, the Hyundai makes a very compelling value.
Thanks to all of you for your input.
#30 of 106 CRV and Santa Fe resale values
Feb 21, 2007 (12:09 pm)
I'll just throw in a quick caveat. I am a Santa Fe owner and we really like ours (2005). We got a great deal on it because it was at the end of 2005 and they had to make room for 2006. It has 17k miles on it with no problems ever and has performed admirable with two toddlers in the rear.
I am very much a 'drive it until it dies' kind of owner, so the resale value meant nothing to me. HOWEVER - someone else had a great deal and I decided to just see what the car is worth now. Shockingly, it's resale value plummeted. I know you folks will say 'what do you expect, its a Hyundai?' but this is still a new experience for me (first new car). Tradein is about 12.5k. Similarly equipped CRV from same year is 16.2k. Thats pretty amazing difference.
So keep eye on long term - if you will drive this car for a long time and plan to get 150k miles out of it - go for it. If you know that you will want something else down the road and plan to trade it in after 6 years or so - the CRV will retain much better value.
I think the Santa Fe rides better, but there's a price to pay for that. Good luck with your decision.