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Re: Just bought an '08 Oulook XR at invoice.. [kelnaq]
by golfman3
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Feb 03, 2008 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: kelnaq (Feb 02, 2008 1:33 pm)
Hi kel, all... dont own one but just this AM took a walk aroud the Saturn lot and saw these Outlooks... was VERY surprised (pleased) to see you can get just a FWD version... the bigger CUV/SUVs are typically RWD or AWD. This size vehicle with FWD should be more than sufficient and would bet is fantastic in snow conditions, even better with a good set o' snow tires on it. Anyway, looked at both it and its smaller bro, the Vue to see an AWD vue does not get quite as good mpg as the bigger FWD Outlook, so of course AWD sucks up the gas a tad more.
And, if ya have not noticed.. read the window stickers of vehicles now-a-days... What I look for and something that drives me up a wall is where components from and where assembled. The Outlook (or may have been the Vue, sorry) I see has both the engine and tranny from USA, but is assembled in Mexico with approx 35% parts FROM Mexico. Another USA vehicle with a 3.4L engine in it... engine is from China per sticker. Also see tranny's from Mexico... Just read before buying is all... if it even matters to you that is. Regards.
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Re: Just bought an '08 Oulook XR at invoice.. [bruce_lee]
by jeninca
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Mar 18, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: bruce_lee (Jan 28, 2008 4:26 pm)
Can you give me the name of your socal dealer? I too live in the Bay Area, but wouldn't mind driving down south to save some money.
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Re: Just bought an '08 Oulook XR at invoice.. [jeninca]
by bruce_lee
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Mar 20, 2008 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: jeninca (Mar 18, 2008 3:16 pm)
Hi,
Yes, the dealer is called Saturn of Torrance. And, you guessed it, it is in Torrance CA (in LA), off of 405 Fwy and Hawthorne Blvd (I believe).
Google it and you will find it. Or better yet, request a quote through edmunds and you'll get an email from them. Use their ZIP code: 90503. They are very quick to respond. Unlike most other Saturn dealers I dealt with, they were the only ones to offer me a quote (initially when I started inquiring back in May of '07).
But, because I waited for the '08 model, on that request, they just stated they would give me 'invoice pricing' on whatever they had on their lot.
Good luck.
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Re: The Best Deal is Acadia [michigal]
by mtnman1
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Mar 25, 2008 (2:40 pm)
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Replying to: michigal (Mar 10, 2007 10:16 pm)
I have the GM Supplier discount through my Employer. I'm seriously looking at ordering an Outlook XR FWD Cocoa exterior, black leather interior, Captains Chairs, Convenience Package, Enhanced Convenience Package, Premium Trim Package, and Skylight Sunroof. MSRP $36035 with my discount it is $34,598 plus the conquest and bonus $500 Rebates. Or I can lease at 12K miles per year 36 months for $461/Month with $3000 down. Residual at 63% interest rate 6.25% which is high. Salesman told me he really believes that the rate will drop as much as two percentage points next month. I'm hoping.
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residuals
by cdl44
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Mar 31, 2008 (4:56 pm)
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am i reading these posts correctly that the 08 Outlooks have a residual value of approx 63-66%? Or is it 44-47%? The residuals seem extremely high. I am looking at 08 XR FWD w/Premium, Convenience, Advanced audio and DVD. Found one w/sticker or $35,545. Would an offer of $33,850 be unreasonable? Does Saturn really have a "no haggle" price so the MSRP is it?
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Re: residuals [cdl44]
by jfritsch
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Apr 01, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: cdl44 (Mar 31, 2008 4:56 pm)
Look up a used 07 outlook like the one you want (if they made them in 07) on kbb.com and nada.com with 14000 miles on it. If it wholesales used for around 25000 (10000 from msrp) like most other trucks in this price range you want at a bare minimum of $5000 off.
Good luck
--jjf
am i reading these posts correctly that the 08 Outlooks have a residual value of approx 63-66%? Or is it 44-47%? The residuals seem extremely high. I am looking at 08 XR FWD w/Premium, Convenience, Advanced audio and DVD. Found one w/sticker or $35,545. Would an offer of $33,850 be unreasonable? Does Saturn really have a "no haggle" price so the MSRP is it?
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Re: residuals [cdl44]
by mtnman1
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Apr 01, 2008 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: cdl44 (Mar 31, 2008 4:56 pm)
Yes that is correct 63% was the residual in March with an interest rate of 6.25% I believe. Their thinking I guess was to lease you a vehicle at a little lower monthly payment with the idea that you would have to purchase another vehicle or lease again at the end of three years because the price of that vehicle would be too high. I don't know for sure, but that's pretty much what the salesman told me. He also stated that he thought the interest rate might come down in April. Also, at least where I live, the MSRP is it. It was explained that Saturn does not markup their vehicles as much as Buick and GM where you can haggle. If your employer has the GM Supplier Program then you can save money. Price can be found right on the GM Supplier Price website. My company also has a program where a company will find the vehicle you are looking for and do the haggling for you. I talked to a representative and he told me they usually can't get the dealer to lower the price with a "No Haggle" Policy.
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Re: residuals [cdl44]
by mtnman1
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Apr 04, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: cdl44 (Mar 31, 2008 4:56 pm)
Was contacted by a Salesman yesterday from Saturn with disappointing news that the rates are the same for April as I mentioned in the post before this one. This was not the original Salesman I have been working with because he was either fired or quit over last weekend. The Salesman said they were all very disappointed because they really expect the rate to be lowered even though Outlook sales are pretty good. Said they would have been flying off the lot if they were lowered. I'm not sure personally that I want to lease a vehicle that I couldn't buy at the end of the 3 years. I'd like to at least have the residual at a more realistic level, so I would have the option of a purchase. He did say the rate for a loan is 4.49% for any length of time, so that might be an option for me or a different brand.
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Re: residuals [mtnman1]
by cdl44
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Apr 04, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Apr 04, 2008 6:47 am)
High residuals are a good thing! You pay less over the term of your lease with the option to buy at the end vs. a car with a low residual where you pay a lot more money over the length of the lease but would have to fork over less at the end (because they car is worth less at that point). Why would you want to pay all that money up front for a car you might or might not buy in 3 years? If you have that extra money, put it in savings to earn interest and use it at the end of your lease. If you think you may want the car at the end of the 3 years vs a new car, you might be better off purchasing instead anyhow.
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Re: residuals [mtnman1]
by wlbrown9
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Apr 04, 2008 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Apr 01, 2008 7:32 am)
Well, I have to call BS on the sales guy telling you they don't have as much markup. I checked Edmunds for both, Saturn Outlook XR with MSRP of 30670, invoice is -$1707. Checking the Acadia, one of the SLEs with list of $31K plus a little has invoice of $2065 less than MSRP. Checking incentives, both have $500 cash to customer. So, pay MSRP -$500 for the Saturn or deal on the Acadia with -$500 back, even if you only get down to invoice +$500 you are about $1200 less. I'm pretty sure that if you equip the Outlook and Acadia the same, the MSRP is within a few dollars.
So, if Saturn would deal, the Outlooks might be flying off the lots. Acadia would be a better buy for most people.
BTW, I have access to Supplier Discount through my wife's job, so the Saturn might be an option vs the Acadia for us since I think that discount brings the Outlook down closer. But for Joe off the street the take it or leave it price does not seem competitive, IMHO.
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