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Re: weird morning sound in new OBW 2.5i A [ateixeira]
by xwesx
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Aug 13, 2007 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 13, 2007 11:31 am)
Was that bad, or what?!
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Re: weird morning sound in new OBW 2.5i A [xwesx]
by dfciii
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Aug 13, 2007 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Aug 13, 2007 11:28 am)
I already did contact them and I did open a ticket. That was the first thing I did after the dealer said they could not fix it. I went to two other dealers and started a total of 5 new Outbacks. None of them acted like mine did. And I made sure that none of them were started that day. The dealership said it can't be fixed. I told them either fix it, or keep it. No new care should run like that. Anyone with any explanation as to what could cause this, feel free to comment. Thanx
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Re: weird morning sound in new OBW 2.5i A [dfciii]
by cfezza
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Aug 18, 2007 (5:18 pm)
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Replying to: dfciii (Aug 12, 2007 5:54 pm)
I too have a 08 2.5i Limited and experience the same symptoms when starting a cold engine. I brought it to the dealer left it over night and was told the same as you....."characteristic of PZEV."
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- #86 of 132
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Re: weird morning sound in new OBW 2.5i A [cfezza]
by paisan
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Aug 18, 2007 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: cfezza (Aug 18, 2007 5:18 pm)
My guess is that the PZEV program in the ECU is causing this or the electrical air-pump that is used instead of a pre-cat.
-mike
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Re: weird morning sound in new OBW 2.5i A [paisan]
by cptplt
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Aug 19, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Aug 18, 2007 6:39 pm)
how does this PZEV stuff work??
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Re: weird morning sound in new OBW 2.5i A [cptplt]
by dfciii
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Aug 19, 2007 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: cptplt (Aug 19, 2007 7:19 am)
PZEV stands for Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle. Basically what the dealer told me is that it would be healthier to breath the exhaust from our outback than to breathe the air in Los Angeles. He said Subaru sets the vehicles to run so lean that it does not give itself enough gasoline. He said that is part of the way they achieve PZEV. I told him that I live in a county in PA where emissions are not required and therefore I do not want a vehicles that runs like that.
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PZEV
by cptplt
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Aug 19, 2007 (11:28 am)
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how did you get a PZEV if you live in a non PZEV state??? do you live near NY? how can you tell if a vehicle is PZEV?
are people in PZEV states having similar problems with their Outbacks??
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Re: PZEV [cptplt]
by paisan
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Aug 19, 2007 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: cptplt (Aug 19, 2007 11:28 am)
I think all the Subies sold are PZEV or all the ones of a particular model. I don't think it's specific to one area.
-mike
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Re: weird morning sound in new OBW 2.5i A [sheroo]
by tedya
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Aug 20, 2007 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: sheroo (May 22, 2007 10:30 pm)
I have a 2007 Legacy GT and I get the same weird noise right after it starts up. It goes away every time right after the RPMs wind down under 1500. I attribute this as a normal thing since it has done this since day 1.
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Re: PZEV [paisan]
by cptplt
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Aug 20, 2007 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Aug 19, 2007 7:19 pm)
according to their brochure only the 2.5i can be PZEV not the turbo or H6 and cars101 shows a price differential between PZEV and non PZEV ones (200 bucks).
since I can't get a hybrid, maybe I'll get a PZEV to be "green". I'm going to talk to the dealer in next day or two about it, I am finalizing an order for a 2.5iLtd to replace my 98 GT.
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