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#227 of 234 PCM Learning Cycle Questions by joepeterson56

Nov 09, 2011 (11:19 am)

Ok, I have 2 2002 Sl's that will not pass emissions! I have traced and repaired the problems, then cleared the codes, then took them for inspection.
 
1st one said
"Failed, due to excessive OBD monitors not ready, return after the vehicle has been driven in accordance with the manufacturer drive cycle."
Test Type: OBDII
RPM: 740
TEST RESULTS
Overall OBD Result: FAIL
Connector Status: PASS
Communication Status: PASS
MIL Engine Off: PASS
MIL Engine On: N/A
Mil Commanded On: NO
Readiness Result: FAIL
Fuel System: READY
Comprehensive Component: READY
Misfire: READY
Heated Cayt: Not Supported
Evap System: NOT READY
2ndary Air Sys: NOT READY
A/C Sys: NOT SUPPORTED
O2: NOT READY
O2 Sensor Htr: READY
EGR Sys: NOT READY
Cat: NOT READY
Connector Volts: 14
PCM ID: (blank)
PID Count: (blank)
Cat DTC: NO
DTC's: N/A
 
2nd one said
"Failed - Test ABORTED - due to to excessive OBD monitors not ready - Too many readiness monitors."
Test Type: OBDII
RPM: N/A
TEST RESULTS
Overall OBD Result: N/A
Connector Status: N/A
Communication Status: N/A
MIL Engine Off: N/A
MIL Engine on: N/A
Mil Commanded on: N/A
Readiness Result: N/A
Fuel System: READY
Comprehensive Component: READY
Misfire: READY
Heated Cayt: Not Supported
Evap System: NOT READY
2ndary Air Sys: NOT READY
A/C Sys: NOT SUPPORTED
O2: READY
O2 Sensor Htr: READY
EGR Sys: NOT READY
Cat: READY
Connector Volts: N/A
PCM ID: N/A
PID Count: N/A
Cat DTC: N/A
DTC's: N/A
 
After being told that the vehicles just need to be driven longer foe the PCM to "RELEARN", I drove the second car for 85 miles over a 2 hour period. Checked for codes again, found none, took it for a reinspection 2 days later.
 
FAILED AGAIN!
 
This time it said: "Failed - Test ABORTED - due to to excessive OBD monitors not ready - Too many readiness monitors."
Test Type: OBDII
RPM: N/A
TEST RESULTS
Overall OBD Result: N/A
Connector Status: N/A
Communication Status: N/A
MIL Engine Off: N/A
MIL Engine on: N/A
Mil Commanded on: N/A
Readiness Result: N/A
Fuel System: READY
Comprehensive Component: READY
Misfire: READY
Heated Cayt: Not Supported
Evap System: NOT READY
2ndary Air Sys: READY
A/C Sys: NOT SUPPORTED
O2: READY
O2 Sensor Htr: READY
EGR Sys: NOT READY
Cat: READY
Connector Volts: N/A
PCM ID: N/A
PID Count: N/A
Cat DTC: N/A
DTC's: N/A
 
My main question now is: How long and how many miles must these dam saturns be driven for the PCM's to "RELEARN" and list the monitors as ready?!?!
 
I have never had such annoying problems with any other car.
 
I have two OBD Scan tools. 1 is a Mechanic Grade Mac Tools TaskPro ET2005AN, and the other is an ACTRON (middle of the road grade) equivalent to the mechanic grade, as far as reading/clearing codes and running specialized tests.
 
Both Scanners check 11 different input monitors. The scanners show the following:
1- Misfire-OK
2- Fuel Sys-OK
3- Comprehensive Component-OK
4- Cat-OK
5- Heated Cat-N/A
6- Evap- INC.
7- 2ndary Air Sys-INC.
8- A/C- N/A
9- O2 Sen-OK
10- Htd O2 Sen-OK
11- EGR Sys -INC.
 
Am I correct that INC. means inconclusive, and that N/A means not applicable to this vehicle??
 
Even tho both of my scanners are "mechanic grade" & I put in the exact vehicle info, they are LACKING, in that they still give a combination of both veh specific codes and GENERIC codes, meaning the scan results have mixed codes on the readout. Some are specific to the saturn sl & are listed in the service manual I have, and others are the generic OBDII codes which are strictly general and non veh specific.
 
I have not attempted a second try at emissions on the 1st car, because after having driven them both throught the exact same route, times and mileage, and the second one failed the second time, I figured I just may as well concentrate on getting one to pass, then do the identicle thing to the other one, as I have been doing. I am located in CT and you get one "free" retest with each failure, so it can get expensive to just keep trying each one.
 
HELP!!!!!!!

#228 of 234 drive cycle by rbillieuxsr

Nov 09, 2011 (1:11 pm)

Take out for drive-55mph and let coast to stop 2 or three times then go up a steep hill and go off gas till almost stop repeat hill test too make sure that EGR is clean-remove carbon with carb cleaner did you have po404 on it? that is EGR put cleaner in gas too with as least one half tank. Computer has to re-learn correct drivng cycle I got hell for doing on 91 let coast to stop.

#229 of 234 Re: Service Engine Soon Light [a2shato] by darrkestangel

Nov 25, 2011 (9:26 pm)

Replying to: a2shato (May 07, 2008 6:52 am)
Hi Jackie,
I am not a mechanic by far, but I know the saturns have at least 2 O2 or Oxygen sensors on the exhaust, which could be causing the check engine light to stay on. I own a 97 saturn and I have problems with it right now, but my mother has a 2002 L300 series saturn and she has the same problem. I wouldn't worry about it if the engine light stays on. If it starts flashing then worry about it. Other than that, it is more than likely one of the O2 sensors on the exhaust system. I hope this helps.

#230 of 234 Re: Service Engine Soon Light [darrkestangel] by rbillieuxsr

Nov 26, 2011 (12:06 pm)

Replying to: darrkestangel (Nov 25, 2011 9:26 pm)
Go to autozone and have them test in using their meter -free. could be that EGR valve needs cleaning or replaceing due to carbon biuld up on this site there directions how to clean otherwise will not pass inspection throttle body has to be cleaned too maybeput some cleaner in gas tank might do it autozone will have to erase code.

#231 of 234 Re: What are these field campaigns? [joepeterson56] by saturntech9

Nov 30, 2011 (6:12 pm)

Replying to: joepeterson56 (Nov 03, 2011 8:51 pm)
If your talking about the dual overhead cam saturn S model engines known for cracking the heads?I dont know who has been telling you that i worked for saturn dealers for over 16yrs repairing saturns and havent seen that to be true.Mybe from overheating it real bad but its not common for the dual cam.Its common for the single though thats why saturn had a special extending warranty on the single cam heads.But not on the dual cams because it wasnt common.

#232 of 234 Re: What are these field campaigns? [saturntech9] by joepeterson56

Nov 30, 2011 (6:23 pm)

Replying to: saturntech9 (Nov 30, 2011 6:12 pm)
I have has one of each with a cracked head. Neither was abused or over heated. I had a friend who owned an engine machine shop who was the first one to tell me they were notorious for this problem, & then I was told the same from every reconditioned head supplier I contacted. Their consenous was all saturn s series head were notorious for cracking, doesn't matter whether single or double cam, and that is why they are so hard to locate. Nothing personal, but I would believe these other sources before I would ever believe any dealer source when it comes to admitting a known problem with their vehicle line.

#233 of 234 Re: high idle and vibration [unklepaulie] by idahoker

Jan 22, 2012 (8:56 pm)

Replying to: unklepaulie (Feb 25, 2009 5:42 pm)
Your post is kinda old, but I have a '96 SL1 that makes lots of noise on startup, esp cold. I found a lot of problems, but it is still noisy:
- Cat converter busted up; opened it up & vacuumed it out
- Hood rattle; tightened the 2 rubber bumpers in the front
- Engine mounts BOTH broken; replaced
- about 90% of all the crappy plastic fasteners are broken in the dash; tie-wrapped them down
- screws loose or missing in radio mount, other places
The thing still makes a lot of rattle, esp cold, but not as bad. I think something is up with the choke system, but don't know what to do about it.
BASICALLY, it is a cheap, old car with 190,000 miles. Its going to rattle until you put a LOT of money and work in it and then the tranny or engine will crap out.
Hope some of those ideas help.
Good Luck

#234 of 234 SL front whell bearing problems by vancamper_1

Jan 31, 2013 (6:44 am)

Anyone have answers for solving a bad front wheel bearing(driver side) problem- I've gone thru 3 of them in 21k miles-the car has 117k total miles. Thanks

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