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Subaru Legacy, Engine, Wagon
#211 of 272 Re: Newbie [newtosubaru]
Sep 30, 2008 (5:27 pm)
don't get a Subaru. I first owned a 1993 Loyale, and it was the best car ever. It just didn't break, and then I sold it at 150K miles (14 years old).
Being so happy with it, in 2005 I bought a 2000 Legacy for $6,800, it had 92K miles on it. Since then I had only cried over it.... I already described my ordeal here.
On the day I sold my old Subaru, the "new" one lost its engine and head gaskets. I sold the wrong car!!!
$3,000 for headgaskets and a new engine, $800 for burnt coil, bunch of other stuff that actually broke and maintenance items (such as water pump and a timing belt) that added up to over $5,000 in 18 months of my owning that piece of $%^&. Sorry. I could have bought a brand new car for that money!!!!!
I now own a 2005 Mitsu Outlander and I couldn't be happier. And, if you read the reviews, Mitsu cars have way less problems.
#212 of 272 Re: Newbie [lucymo]
Sep 30, 2008 (5:58 pm)
Thanks for the reply. I want to hear both postive and negative reviews of Subaru. Like I said, this is my first venture away from Chevy and GM. I almost bought a Honda Accord for my wife, but got an '05 Malibu instead. It's okay, but not the best. Thanks again.
#213 of 272 Re: Newbie [lucymo]
Oct 01, 2008 (7:03 pm)
No offense but you are comparing a used car to a new car. Second, if you look back at Mitsu's long term reliability it's way way down on the list. While those particular cars (96-02 2.5L DOHC engine) subies are known to have head gasket problems, there weren't any other (that you mention) repairs needed on the car.
All cars from all manufacturers breakdown, be them Toyota, Honda, MB, BMW, Lexus, or Mitsu.
To the Original Poster:
If the head gasket hasn't been done on an 96-02 2.5L Subie, you should probably work in about $1,500 worth of "I'm gonna need to do the Head Gasket and associated maintenance items" when negotiating a used car. The associated things would be the timing belt, water pump etc. since the engine will be nearly torn down anyway to do the HG.
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#214 of 272 Re: Newbie [lucymo]
Oct 02, 2008 (11:39 am)
A new coil cost you $800?
The ignition coil is an $80 part. Two bolts to remove and replace, and it's right at the top/front of the engine. It takes about - 90 seconds to replace.
How did that get to $800?
It should be $80 plus half hour labor at the very most, so I don't see how you get to $800 from there.
Sounds more like you need to replace your mechanic.
Having said that, gaskets are indeed a concern. Check for leaks there and on the valve covers, and the front and rear main seals. Also listen to the wheel bearings, if they're noisy they're probably gone.
If it's leak-free and quiet you're probably good for quite a while. I've seen 2 Foresters go over 250,000 miles.
#215 of 272 Re: Newbie [paisan]
Oct 02, 2008 (4:22 pm)
How is it that I am comparing a used car to a new car? I have never bought a new car in my life.
After my Subaru problems I searched the internet (and this site too) and saw many engine problems reported for Subarus, and not just the headgaskets.
We were ready for the headgaskets when we bought the Legacy, but we weren't ready for the warped engine without it ever overheating or headgaskets actually blowing up on us. So there - put away about $3,000 just in case.
I did look at the Mitsu reliability ratings - way better than Subarus.
#216 of 272 Re: Newbie [ateixeira]
Oct 02, 2008 (4:25 pm)
How it gets to that? when your car is at the Subaru dealer and it's not going anywhere.... That's how. And if you don't know how to get the two bolts out, change the coil and what the heck the coil is - that's how. Especially, if the dealer charges $100/hour and overcharges all the time.
We already replaced the dealer, needless to say...
#217 of 272 Re: Newbie [paisan]
Oct 03, 2008 (8:04 am)
I own an '03 Legacy ("non-Outback" , non-turbo year) 2.5 GT wagon / 5-spd manual. I love the car as a driver. Mechanically, though, I disagree with some of the reliability reports I've read. My head gaskets began leaking early in the year. They were replaced by my mechanic whom I consider to be quite competent - he's been working on my cars for 15 years or so. He advised me that Subaru is on the 6th or 7th iteration of the head gasket. This implies to me that they have been unsuccessful in resolving this expensive, recurring issue. In following Consumer Reports reliability ratings(which I have increasing unwillingness to honor), the black dots in the engine category are lag three to four years from current. I suspect this largely to be due to the head gasket issue. I would expect this problem to persist in all Legacy models going into the future, and to see it reflected in this pattern. Therefore,
1. Be cautious about purchasing a used model. I don't recommend buying a
used model unless all maintenance records (as best as can be taken) accom-
pany the vehicle.
2. Always have the mechanic scrutinize the engine for signs of head gasket
leaks at every oil change.
So far, I've had no repurcussions. My mechanic told me that this was caught relatively early and that he saw no damage to the block. But I will probably remain a little uncomfortable as long as I own the car that I may eventually experience some additional problems related to this issue in the future. I read a mechanic's blog from a known dealer in the Seattle area who seemed to want to put the truth out there. He claimed that, of the head gaskets he's replaced with no damage to the block, no further issues usually occur. Of course that's one opinion of many.
One last comment, to agree with Paisan above. My mechanic has reported that he believes that he's seeing more issues in general with all Japanese makes. Now they may occuring more or less depending upon the brand, but even Toyota and Honda are seeing issues like this because all of the Asian brands (including Korean) sold in this country use Aluminum Blocks. Aluminum flexes more than does cast iron from heat. This means that states in warmer climates are probably more condusive to heat-related engine issues (I live in the Atlanta area). Be aware of that. But Subaru's, I think, are still pretty good cars. They ride pretty well; handle pretty well; are among the safer models on the roads; and, with proper maintenance, will still probably serve well for a number of years (hopefully!). Good luck to you.
Oct 05, 2008 (10:13 pm)
To own a Car is to maintain a Car.
No matter what model you buy, you're gonna have to maintain it.
Why bash Subaru for being nothing more than a Car that from time to time, needs work on it.
If you buy any make of Car with 100k+ Miles on it, get ready to start fixing it, that's why the Person is selling it...
To purchase a Subaru with over 100k Miles on it then come on to a forum and tell People not to buy a Subaru because yours broke down is a little odd in my Book.
#219 of 272 Re: [kentuckyranger]
Oct 06, 2008 (4:45 pm)
it may be a little odd in your book but if it stops them from buying a car and paying $3,000 in a few months for a new engine - I'll be happy. I have nothing against maintenance items.
Oct 06, 2008 (5:03 pm)
Well I had the dealership fax me service records for the car. It hasn't had the timing belt done, so I would have that replaced right away, the head gaskets have been done, so we're good there. The car has been serviced 23 times in its life. Mostly oil changes every 7500 miles. Parking brake has been replaced twice and the alternator has been replaced. Check engine light has been on three times, the oil pump has been resealed, new battery, transverse link cam seal inspection. They are asking $4370 for the car and my trade in value is $2,000. So I don't think that's too bad. Any feedback anyone?