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#61 of 116 Re: Civic Hydrid Catalytic Converter Failure
May 11, 2009 (5:07 pm)
SO I have 84,500 miles on my Civic Hybrid and I am out of warranty when the lovely P2000 code showed up last week. I refuse to pay $900+ labor for an OEM converter from honda so I found a great alternative:
I purchased a new OEM Style replacement direct fit bolt-on DAVICO brand, made in USA Catalytic Converter for 2003-2005 Honda Civic Hybrid 1.3L Engine on ebay and it swapped it out myself.
It's a direct bolt on replacement and it took me 30 minutes to change, its 1/2 the weight of the OEM catalytic converter, and it flows twice as much compared to the factory one! It fits perfect and no more P2000 code!!! with shipping it was $202.00!!!, it really is a great product and it comes with a 2 year/ 24,000 warranty from Davico, here is the link for a DAVICO dealer near you and the link for MAC auto parts where it came from,
http://www.davicomfg.com/ I hope you all find this useful! God Bless Carlos
#62 of 116 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid code P1420 - catalytic converter
May 16, 2009 (6:05 pm)
Just found this consumer group on the Internet and I'm impressed with the wealth of information exchanged. Thanks everyone.
Now to the point. Our 2003 Civic Hybrid has a 98,600 miles and the Check Engine light came on. Drove for three days as recommended in the manual, but the light did not go off. Took car to the Honda dealer and was awarded an estimate of $1110.42 to replace the catalytica converter. Sticker shock to say the least.
After reading everyone's posts in this forum, I'm left rather confused and here's my take. The problem could be either:
* The ECM computer has lit up the Check Engine idiot light, but the light is due to a misreading or some other kind of error, and the catalytic converter is just fine.
* The catalytic converter is toast and needs to be replaced.
So, what do I do? The Honda dealer price of $1110 is exhorbitant and I don't have that kind money. Some say the after-market catalytic converters are good, other say they're junk. Others suggest the problem can be traced to faulty ECM diagnosis and the problem will therefore recur, regardless of whether the catalytica converter is replaced.
Seems I took the car into the dealer several months back to get the ECM programming problem fixed ("re-flashed"). So, I'm not sure whether a faulty ECM is the problem.
At this point, should I (a) do nothing; (b) bit the bullet, borrow the mondy, and let the Honda dealer fix the problem; (c) replace the catalytic converter myself with an after-market part; (c) call Honda regional service and whine, hoping they'll have mercy and give me an alternative, workable solution?
Thanks, your advices would be much appreciated.
#63 of 116 Re: 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid code P1420 - catalytic converter [tomjwhite]
Jun 14, 2009 (7:51 pm)
I have a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid with close to 140k miles. I got the update and I still get the Check Engine light after a a few weeks of having the light turned off.
I've probably driven at least 80k miles with the "Check Engine" light coming on and my car has had no problems at all. 80k miles ago, the dealership said I needed to replace my 2 catalytic converters. I already had them replaced while my car was under warranty.
The manual says you should treat Check Engine light seriously because it can damage your engine. Currently, my bluebook value is about $4000, so I'm willing to bet that I won't have a serious engine issue that would light up the Check Engine and save $1000.
Even with the Check Eng light and Transmission Shuddering quirks, I love my car and I will drive it to the ground. I'm fine with these issues because I am not going to be putting any more money into this car. I will replace inexpensive parts and just keep driving. I've yet to replace my hybrid battery and I have no plans to replace that either.
FYI - I've had my transmission replaced once under warranty and it's better, but not fixed. But it's driveable so it's ok.
#64 of 116 Re: 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid code P1420 - catalytic converter [rileyyh]
Jun 15, 2009 (10:58 am)
Thanks for your note. My CheckEngine light did go out, after more than a week. It has not relit. So, I'm with you, I'm going to drive the car until circumstances say otherwise.
Given that the light went out, I wonder whether the Honda dealer really understood the implications of the diagnostics, much less the ridiculousness of handing me an $1100 estimate for a repair that doesn't seem necessary.
If my CheckEngine light were still on, I'd be looking for a second opinion from a more reliable shop.
#65 of 116 Re: catalytic craziness [ncjournalist]
Jun 18, 2009 (5:15 am)
HondaCare refuses to consider any further support after warranty, after fist converter failure at 60k and second at 80k. O2 sensors also replaced at 80k. Failure agan now at 100k miles. Obvious design defect on Honda;s part, but I'm stuck with it. Only choice is to ignore and run with 'inefficient' catalyst.
Any other suggestions?
#66 of 116 Is it an engineering or design defect?
Jul 30, 2009 (7:41 am)
We've just been told that our 2nd Catalytic Converter in our 2003 Honda Hybrid is bad. The first one was replaced at 92K by Honda for free after we raised hell about since it had failed in 2007, within 4 years of the so called 8-year warranty, although our mileage had been to 92K. We've had nothing but periodic "check engine" warning light since then...the last time, about 4 weeks ago, our dealer advised us to replace all the spark plugs for a mere $257...then just two weeks after that we again get the "check engine" light....drove the few hundred miles to see if it would self-correct...but it stayed on. Now the dealer says the 2nd CC has failed, at 40K miles since it was installed 2 years ago, and it will now cost us $1,334 to replace. Wow, that's a lot of dough for a CC that likely won't last beyond 30K miles or so and will probably go the way of the previous two CC's.
I can't but suspect that there's some flaw in the function, design or engineering of the 2003 Civic Hybrid, and that we are all being taken for one long ride by American Honda in its refusal to own up to this matter.
We are holding off replacing the CC for a 3rd one in the hope that either there's an alternative and more affordable CC out there we could get for our hybrid and most importantly that our hybrid won't self-destruct or worse yet, catch on fire and explode as the Service Manager who's pushing us to replace it on our own dime seems to be trying to scare us into doing.
Is there anyone out there with advice, knowledge and who could point us to any more affordable and equally effective alternatives?
#67 of 116 2nd catalytic converter failure in 8 months
Aug 17, 2009 (11:20 am)
As you can tell from December 08 my catalytic converter was replaced, now after just 8 months that wonderful check engine light came back on again with the code we all know so well. Luckily I am still under 80k and it is still covered under warranty. Not amused at this being an issue and possibly happening again later when I am not covered under warranty.
#68 of 116 babyismama
Aug 17, 2009 (4:27 pm)
When your warranty is up you tell your dealer you will be happy to help by calling the Honda Regional office and have them send you the part(catalytic converter) for free, which they have been doing since they have not fixed the problem on your car. The fix is usually a software correction as the engine is running too lean because of the computer. There was a maint alert (or whatever they call it) on this problem and you should have been notified to bring your car in for the software fix.
This will save you the $1100 cost for the part, but you still will pay 1-2 hours labor in an out of warranty situation.
#69 of 116 DTC P0134 and P0420
Sep 13, 2009 (2:26 pm)
A few months ago the MIL (check engine light) on my 2003 HCH came on at 95000 miles with a P0134 code. I followed the instructions in the factory service manual, which indicated that it was just an intermittent failure and that the system was OK. I reset the code and 2 weeks later passed a state emissions test. About a month later, the MIL came on again with a P0420 code. Since then, the MIL has turned on and off by itself a couple times. Today it was on again, so I checked it and found another P0420 code. I am eligible for another state emissions test in May 2011. So I'm wondering, what should I do at this point? Back in 2007, I had the ECM update recall service done "to prevent code P0420". I haven't yet taken it in to the dealer for these recent MIL issues, but from what I'm reading here, it sounds like I can get a replacement of the catalytic converter just for the cost of labor, but that it could fail again within the 12-month/12k warranty. In that case, should I wait until May 2010 to take it to the dealer and get the converter replaced, so that it's still under warranty in May 2011 when I can get another state emissions test?
#70 of 116 very relevant reading
Sep 29, 2009 (8:28 am)
I have an '03 civic hybrid. Reading this column I am amazed at how many of these problems I have had as well. Right down to the rattle in the passenger side dashboard which I too have gotten used to after having them try to fix it repeatedly. My 02 sensor went last year (around 105,000 miles). Now my check engine light and IMA light are on (115,000 miles). The dealership is saying it is my Catalytic Converter and my IMA battery and that they are no longer covered under warranty. I am going to get a second opinion and see if there is anything I can do.