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Hyundai Elantra vs Nissan Sentra

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Re: Review [moparbad] by backy
Nov 01, 2006 (4:40 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Nov 01, 2006 12:00 pm)

I got my December C/D today. It's a curious review in a number of ways. Here's some odd things about it:
 
* It complains that the Mazda3 they tested might be too sporty. When was the last time you saw C/D say that about any car? Also, which Mazda3 did they choose for the comparo? The Mazda3i, which has less-aggressive tires/rims and would have easily fit under their self-imposed $18k price limit? No. They chose the Mazda3s, s as in "Sport".
 
* The Mazda3 took top honors in braking, roadholding, lane change, 1/4 mile acceleration, performance, steering feel, brake feel, handling, and ride. But it was ranked below the Rabbit in "fun to drive."
 
* The Civic was top-ranked for ride, even though the review complains about the suspension being "surprisingly noisy over road impacts" and a "crisp" ride.
 
Anyway, back to the subject, Elantra vs. Sentra...
 
It appears they suffered the same fate. C/D is not looking for a car to do what most of us do with cars--drive around town or cruise on the interstates. No, they want a car with sporty ride (read firm) and handling so when they carve those canyons, they can have fun. And that's fine. But it's something to consider when reading the review.
 
Here's what C/D said about the Elantra:
 
* "Scores high on value" with the lowest price of the group
* Nicely styled interior with "top-quality materials and details" with "sophisticated use of texture and sheen" and "sit-all-day" seats and lots of storage compartments
* Front buckets have a "plush feel"
* "Top marks" for space and comfort
* Light controls and a slick shifter and clutch.
* Smooth ride; "at metro traffic speeds the car feels agile and trusty. Grab it and go, like you're old friends."
* Tested fuel economy was 3rd best in the test, 28 mpg (behind Civic and Corolla)
* Noise at idle and at 70 mph cruise were lowest in the test
* 5-60 mph (more useful in real world than 0-60) was quickest in the test
 
Sounds like a car that would make an excellent commuter (especially if carrying a carpool) or family hauler. Which is what economy sedans are tasked to do by most of us. If you want sporty, there's the Mazda3--as long as you don't want too sporty!
 
The Sentra similarly was praised for its interior room and denigrated for lack of "driving fun." The knocks on the shifter were curious though. They said the clutch was "heavy" (although they knocked the Elantra's as maybe too light, hard to know what they like) and the shifter is limp. I found the Sentra's clutch firmer than, say, a Civic, but acceptable. The shifter was anything but limp--it was actually a little notchy, but seemed crisp to me. And the ride was if anything too firm, not "tippy" and "plush" as noted by C/D. They harped on the small door pockets (they are) but begrudingly noted all the other storage space in the car, including the HUUUGE glove box.
 
The illegibility of the Sentra's gauges with polarized sunglasses was a good catch though--that could be a real problem for many drivers. I am amazed that got past Sentra's engineers.
 
They like to harp on styling too, calling the Sentra's "tortured". I don't happen to like the Sentra's styling, but I think "tortured" is over the top. Besides, styling is completely subjective, so why include it in the scoring? (Other publications e.g. CR do not.)
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Re: Review [bamacar] by bamacar
Nov 01, 2006 (5:07 pm)
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Replying to: bamacar (Nov 01, 2006 10:58 am)

Correction. I only forgot one thing that the Mazda and Sentra got the same mpg on C/D's 550 miles of testing.
 
1st Civic/Corolla 33 mpg
3rd Elantra 28
4th Mazda3/Sentra 27
6th Rabbit 24
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Re: Review [bamacar] by spmrebel
Nov 01, 2006 (10:37 pm)
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Replying to: bamacar (Nov 01, 2006 5:07 pm)

Was that 550 miles a lot of highway or city mileage? The mileage that C/D got is on the low side of the Elantra's EPA rating of 28/36. I would have expected around 30 or maybe equal to Corolla/Civic. Was this with stick? If this is stick, it doesn't bode well at all for Elantra for its mileage.
 
On Mazda was this with the 2.3L engine? Stick or auto? If auto this is pretty good considering Mazda 3 has a bigger engine, more power and low end torque.
 
Still waiting for my C/D issue.
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Re: Review [spmrebel] by germancarfan1
Nov 02, 2006 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: spmrebel (Nov 01, 2006 10:37 pm)

I believe the Mazda was the 3s 5M 160HP rated at 26/33. Returning 27MPG is pretty darn good. The Elantra's mileage isn't exactly impressive for a car that has only 138HP and rated at 28/36. Though it is inline with the 25-26 MPG I get with my 2004 Elantra rated at 26/34.
 
Comparing mileage costs between the Elantra and Civic, you'll be saving roughly $200 at $2.50/g for 15K miles a year. Over a 5 year period, factoring in depreciation savings with the Civic, any difference in cost between the 2 cars will evaporate quickly. Basically, since it's pretty much a wash, buy the car that you like the most.
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Re: Review [germancarfan1] by backy
Nov 02, 2006 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: germancarfan1 (Nov 02, 2006 6:36 am)

You are forgetting about discounts and, eventually, rebates that will be available on the Elantra. For $1000-1500 difference, I agree, it's really a wash. But for $4000 difference? And then there's the little issue of the polarizing styling of the Civic, and lack of room--if those are important.
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Polarizing Style? by sandman46
Nov 02, 2006 (5:46 pm)
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What do you mean by "polarizing style"? The only thing a little on the odd side is the short overhang of the Civics hood and longish dashboard inside up to the windshield. I personally like the look and am glad I got the sedan instead of the coupe. If I didn't have the spine problems that have been getting much worse since my accident, I would've jumped on the coupe. But the longer & heavier doors plus the somewhat claustraphobic back seat area made me go for the sedan.
I did sit in the Elantra before I bought, but the seats for me were a deal breaker. I couldn't get comfortable and my spine really hurt just sitting in the showroom. I did my "sit test" and the only cars that passed it were the Corolla & the Civic. The Sonata seats were great for me, especially with the power function, but the size knocked it out of contention, as well as the mpg's.
 
The Sandman
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Re: Polarizing Style? [sandman46] by backy
Nov 02, 2006 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: sandman46 (Nov 02, 2006 5:46 pm)

C/D called the Civic "hugely polarizing" in their December comparo. Two quotes from their editors:
 
"I dig the futuristic, artsy look."
 
"I hate everything but the way it drives."
 
Did you sit in the 2007 Elantra before buying your Civic?
 
BTW, there is a Civic vs. Elantra discussion...
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Re: Polarizing Style? [sandman46] by herotakesafall
Nov 02, 2006 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: sandman46 (Nov 02, 2006 5:46 pm)

It really does have very polarizing style. Most people go into the love it/hate it category, but I'm in the middle. I think the front/side/most of the interior looks really sharp, but I think the taillight design is horrible. It's all opinion, though. It's at least an interesting enough design where I don't make fun of people who drive them. I save that for all the Five Hundreds, Tauruses, and Sebrings I see.
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Re: Car and Driver review [backy] by herotakesafall
Nov 02, 2006 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 31, 2006 4:30 pm)

I think whatever highway noise the people are talking about is only with the Elantra manual, probably. It's still a strange comment. If you read Consumer Reports' review of the '07 Accent, they say the same thing - engine noise is very pronounced due to the gearing of the manual. I don't really understand how that works myself, but they didn't have any complaints about the automatic version. Maybe that's the case with the new auto Elantra, then.
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Re: Car and Driver review [herotakesafall] by backy
Nov 02, 2006 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: herotakesafall (Nov 02, 2006 7:05 pm)

Yes, I think that's it. But what is really odd about C/D's comments on engine noise on the Elantra is that it was the quietest car in the test at 70 mph cruise. It is actually as quiet as the 2007 Altima that they tested in the same issue. So go figure... maybe going from 70 to 72 mph triggers the screaming banshees in their cages in the engine bay, so the noise is a lot greater .

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