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#4545 of 5282 Re: 2006 Toyota Land Cruiser WITH SPOILER??????? [steelcruiser]
Jun 11, 2005 (7:48 am)
Toyota is going to bring to market a "tarted up" Seqouia to the high profile "look at mine" SUV segment? Bad mistake in my estimation. I do not see how Toyota can take a $45k vehicle and upgrade it to the extent that it will compete in the high end Luxury SUV market.
In my view the LX 470 succsessfuly competed with the likes of Range Rover, because it combined the world class off road capabilities of Land Cruiser with the Luxury enhancements of Lexus. Seqouia, though fine SUV that it is, will probably not attract this market segment, no matter how much lipstick Toyota puts on it.
Toyota as acorporate entity has always been a little strange, in my opinion, but this could rank as an all time high bizarre move, if it is in fact true.
#4546 of 5282 Re: 2006 Toyota Land Cruiser WITH SPOILER??????? [mgreene]
Jun 11, 2005 (8:39 am)
Couldn't agree more. Just passing on info from someone that's on the "inside". It's probably a little hard for Toy to take the LC/LX to the same perceived luxury level as RR with the Sequoia in their mix?
I didn't get to talk with the guy long enough to get any more details, but my take was that Lexus would have the perked up Seqouia and Toy keeps the LC. It seems that things that have been in the LX, have a way of showing up in the LC. Such is the case this year (2006) with the height adjustable suspension. The rumor of LC going to be a Lexus only has been circulating for quite a while. As we only get one “trim” option here, I suppose the badging was an issue.
Guess this is something we’ll just have to keep watching!
#4547 of 5282 I am sure that this has been
Jun 11, 2005 (6:43 pm)
posted earlier, so, if it has, just refer me to the series of posts to get my answer...
What are the real differences between the TLC and the LX470? Is either better than another, or is it just an Explorer/Mountaineer but with a classier vehicle? Are they really THAT well made, or are you owners just trying to psychologically justify the expense in your minds? What are the best features of each, and what are the worst features/complaints of each? Knowing what you now know, would you buy that year and model again, or would you seek out a cheaper SUV?
When the time comes, I will be looking at 2006 Explorer/Mountaineer, 2005/6 Nissan Pathfinder, 2006 Jeep Commander, and 2000-2003 TLC/LX470.
Last question...what were the years of the Lexus LX450, prior to the 470, and would you consider that as a more economical vehicle, or did it have any special problems to deal with, possibly solved by the upgrade to the 470.
I do not intend to tow much, as I have a Dodge Ram for that, but what I want is an SUV with part-time 4WD, so I can engage 4WD only when I want it, to go over hills, mud, snow (rarely)...do NOT want AWD...and only need 1st and 2nd row seating, rear will be for 1-2 dogs...
Thanks for any help...
#4548 of 5282 Re: I am sure that this has been [marsha7]
Jun 11, 2005 (7:40 pm)
Sounds like neither the LC nor the LX is for you. Both have full-time 4WD.
#4549 of 5282 Re: I am sure that this has been [marsha7]
Jun 12, 2005 (5:38 am)
I'm not going to go find the post, but the major differences between the LX/LC is the level of Luxury. The LX is quieter, has more wood, and depending on the year, more options (nav, memory, sound). It also has the air suspension, which the new 06 LC has now.
The 450 became the 470 in 98, and knowing what I know now, and after having my 2000 TLC for 5 years now, I'd probably still would have bought the same SUV. The only reason I wouldn't get it would be if gas prices were to go past $3 ($1.20 back in the days)
Interms of an SUV without full time four and third row, an eairlier LC or LX450 might be what you're looking for.
#4550 of 5282 Re: I am sure that this has been [marsha7]
Jun 12, 2005 (10:24 am)
"interms of an SUV without full time four and third row, an eairlier LC or LX450 might be what you're looking for."
Actually, all Landcruisers (since 1991) and LX450/LX470 (since '96) have been full-time four-wheel drive. If you are looking for part-time four-wheel arrangement, I'd recommend V6 4Runner
LC/LX Upside: An extremely reliable and well-made vehicle. But looking at your needs, it seeme to be over-built.
LC/LX Downside: Poor gas mileage and relatively high cost of repairs if something does breakdown. Most people here are do-it-at-home people so likely won't realize the high cost of ownership but those who are going to be taking it in for repairs will attest to high repair tab. But since repairs are rare, the cost of ownership could be a wash.
#4551 of 5282 2006 Toyota Land Cruiser WITH SPOILER??????? [mgreene] by
Jun 12, 2005 (11:12 am)
I think we are looking at this issue as TLC/LX enthusiasts. However, at Toyota Corporate, the bean counters have a say too. TLC has a great history, heritage etc. That's not enough for the Average person to shell out 60K for a Toyota truck. From a marketing/profitability/cost perspective, I think it makes sense for the 2008 Tundra/Sequoia/LC/LX to share the same platform as Nissan has done with the Armada/Titan/Xterra/Pathfinder/QX56 etc. They all share the same basic chasis with modifications. I will still trade in my 2002 TLC the last model year TLC be it in 2007 or 2008 and hold on to it for life. Landcruiser or bust ....
#4552 of 5282 I did not know
Jun 12, 2005 (1:42 pm)
that they were full time 4WD (is that what AWD is?)...I want a regular 2WD with levers and switches to engage 4WD, hi or lo range, only when I want or need it...thanks for the info update, you guys have been very helpful...
Ain't it annoying? One (OK, two) of the best made SUVs out there are out of consideration just because they do not have my kind of 4WD...maybe Infinity will come out with a successor to the QX4, altho it would be well out of my price range until it was 2-3 years used...
#4553 of 5282 Re: 2006 Toyota Land Cruiser WITH SPOILER??????? [mgreene] by [mercara]
Jun 12, 2005 (5:28 pm)
Yep, am currently looking to go ahead and purchase the 2006. Just tired of sitting on my hands waiting for Toyota to make a move. Actually, Toyota making the move is what scares me the most - just do not have a good feeling about the next generation series, especially the likely possibility of it sharing the Sequoia/Tundra platform. Bet it will be made in U.S., too. A hybrid LC would be the only thing that could sway me down the road, but there are many bugs to be worked out and it will demand a hefty premium - probably upwards of $70K. Now, just need to determine which color will best persevere the next 10-15 years. I welcome any color suggestions....
#4554 of 5282 Re: 2006 Toyota Land Cruiser WITH SPOILER??????? [mgreene] by [mercara] [flyfish4life]
Jun 13, 2005 (4:50 pm)
I don't remember the source, but somewhere I read that the only color that has never gone "out of fashion" is silver. Coincidentally, my uncle, who is an insurance risk assessment analyst, keeps telling me silver is also statistically the safest color.
However, I would recommend you go with the color you like best. Seems like the LC doesn't come in any colors that a few years down the road you couldn't stand anymore (unlike some Humvees I see around town in bright yellow or Jeeps in purple metallic).