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#321 of 5282 1997 TLC and Loving It
Dec 30, 2000 (9:31 am)
Responding to an earlier post comparing the 98TLC with the 97LX450, I too would like to have the V8, but with gas prices being as they are,the difference in the price of the vehicles, and these vehicles gas mileage isn't great, I'm very pleased with my 97TLC. I brought it used with 37k miles on it, had to replace battery,starter, and tires, other than that, I'm sold with Toyota and Lexus.I also should mention that the antenna went out, I called Toyota's corporate US,they asked me where locally do I have my Cruiser service,I told them and they split the cost of repairing the antenna with the dealer at no charge to me. I was completely sold then, being that this wasn't covered under any warranty that I know of. I now have 89k miles, no problems whatsoever, nothing. My wife drives a 93 honda prelude with 185k miles and still going, when we are ready to repurchase, she likes the Rav4, and given Toyotas reputation for building quality vehicles that are built to last, it's toyota or nexus for me and mine. If I,not my wife but me, ever have to buy another SUB, there's only two that I'd choose from. The Toyota Land Cruiser or the Lexus LX470. Nothing else compares.
Also what I found by researching the Rav4, I mistyped the Url and to my suprise, I ended up at toyota,japan. I'm including the url, it's written in Japaneese, but you can position your mouse over some of the text, look at the bottom of your screen to see where you're going and there are some great vehicles with pictures of all of toyota's vehicles including lexus' there. Interior and exterior. The Url is http://www.toyota.co.jp.
#322 of 5282 Stacy - Re TLC vs. LX470 (msg 314)
Dec 30, 2000 (1:38 pm)
I own both brands. I have owned several Lexus cars and also had a FJZ80 TLC. Loved the TLC. Just a rock. Chevy has NO idea what a rock really is. Toyota does! Great truck and unbelievable reliability.
That said, Lexus offers several upgrades. Better leather, wood wheel/shift, adjustable height control (huge in underground garages and when you have toddlers getting in/out of the truck), adjustable suspension settings (firmness/comfort), nicer colors, Nakamichi stereo system (eons better/nicer than the TLC JBL system), and most importantly the better lexus treatment. Lexus has a longer warranty (4/50) and extended my warranty 5K miles without my asking when I had a MINOR problem with my coupe. Yes, its INITIALLY more expensive but over time becomes worth it.
This may be dealer-specific but the Toyota dealers tend to behave more like mass market dealers and dont seem to put much effort into customer service. From my experience, I think even the Benz dealers are guilty of the same. Once you own a Lexus, you will be coddled in a way that I have not seen elsewhere (except maybe with the Bentley/RR marquee).
If I was looking buying a '01 TLC and the Nav system was not important, i would rather buy a '00 model loaded LX470 and pay roughly what you would pay for a new TLC. Its pretty much a wash $ wise and the warranty period is about equal but the Lexus truck will have more features pound for pound and a significantly better ownership experience.
<<stacy wrote: Sweety12 [sic] - What made you pick the Lexus over the Toyota? All I can see different is the suspension goes down to make it easier to climb in.Please respond. Thanks, Stacy>>
#323 of 5282 Help - Buy a 93/94 TLC or Avalon
Dec 30, 2000 (2:00 pm)
I know this must sound funny but my better half wants the Avalon but I want a THC. I like the 93 since it is a third vehicle and fits the budget. Please share experiences about the 93 and 94 model with me. I know it will go off-road in the mountains of North Carolina and on the beach in the Hamptons. Can it do both great?? How about on-road manners - it it a truck or a car?? Also, fuel economy or lack thereof, it will be driven from NC to NY and back a lot??? How many miles can one last, I hope a lot since they all have 100K+ used? Thank you! Happy New Years!!!!!!!!
#324 of 5282 LX v. TLC
Dec 30, 2000 (8:46 pm)
THANK YOU sweety, ixix, and dianne for your responses, they are VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. Here is my story - short version. Want a safe 4wd. For rain mostly as I was once hit on fwy and did 360 - fire trucks had to get me out even here in so cal - I want traction. Drive an 99 RX300 now. Also have 99 740 (my Husbands car). I need more room! I have an infant and 4 yr old, also plan for another kid . Want quiet,lux and reliability. Minivans w/ all wheel drive dont work. Looking and GM, Yuk XL, Cadill, Nav, (and town hall sites) and I am concerned about buying American. Also concerned about the 470/tlc being too small - with the 3rd seats taking up too much room with all the baby gear and etc Im always carrying - and I will be using that 3rd row, at least one of those seats all the time. Looked at the Seq but not sure about the 4wd all the time on dry pavement ( I cannot deal with stopping the car if it rains and switching to 4wd). The Seq is also a new car and everyone loves the LX/TLC rig. Has anyone driven the Seq and TLC/LX for comparison? Its very hard for me to test drive cars with my 2 month old so your responses really help me as this decision will be made pretty much on the internet. I am confused. Any advice?? Thanks, Stacy
#325 of 5282 roblandcruiser
Dec 30, 2000 (9:04 pm)
The Avalon is a pretty sweet car, and I'm very happy with my '93 fzj80. They are quite different vehicles though . The 80 is most definitely a truck, and it rides like a stiff, live axle rig, which it is. It's probably the best offroad-performing Cruiser out-of-the-box ever produced, including the 100 series. In stock form, they get between 14 and 17MPG. I get 12.5 to 13 around town and 14-15 on highway.
If you're not interested in offroading, I would consider the Avalon.
#326 of 5282 TLC v.LX
Dec 30, 2000 (9:10 pm)
THANK YOU sweety,ixix and dianne for your responses. They are truly appreciated. Wondering if anyone has compared the Seq with the TLC/LX, I am a little concerned that the back of the TLC is too small. I have and infant and all her gear, a 4 yr old and plan on having another. Looked at American cars but with all the problem on the sites noted here am too afraid. Minivans are too noisy - also feel comfortable with 4wd and want this even tho I wont plan on offroading (It does rain in socal and the fwys get scary and I need traction). Want luxury, comfort,Quiet,and space - I have 99 RX 300 now and its getting too small but im happy with the ride. Husb drives 99 BMW740 which seems to have more room than mine! Any responses would help - even on any other cars I should look at. Thanks, Stacy
#327 of 5282 Stacy, TLC vs LX
Dec 30, 2000 (11:24 pm)
Of the four requirements mentioned "luxury, comfort, quiet, space" the LX easily outclasses the competion in three areas. Luxury, comfort, quiet. The Luxury features are the best in any SUV. Comfort is more subjective but I think most people would say the LX is very, very comfortable. Quiet, the LX is the most quiet of any SUV made. The TLC is very, very close in all these areas. The ride of the LX is the most outstanding of any SUV [adjustability, reliability] the TLC is a little less so. In a sentence the LX rides more like your husband's BMW and less like a truck than a TLC.
I live in Socal as well and understand your needs. You have one big advantage if you do buy the TLC. Dianne sells the TLC here in Socal. I did not buy a TLC, but Dianne gave me the straight stuff. She was fair and honest.
Both vehicles are very, very, good. The best in class. I have driven most of the SUVs on the market. Between the LX and TLC we are talking "Shades of Grey." Between these two and others were are talking "Black and White." The others are not in the same class.
I have not driven or even seen the Seq so I cannot help you there. However, ask Dianne she knows both of those vehicles well.
Good Luck with your decision.
#328 of 5282 Re: (msg #322) LX v. TLC
Dec 31, 2000 (3:09 pm)
I fully understand your dilemma. We have 3 kids, a teenager, a 3 year old and an infant. Hopefully, if I can stay away from work long enough, we'll have 4.
My wife LOVES the LX. She drove our TLC and simply did not want to give it up. She liked the 3 rows of 'adult' seats and the trunk space was decent for two strollers, a diaper bag and other 'gear.' When we got the LX, she was in ecstacy.
We drove the Navigator. She liked the kerb appeal but hated its ride and size. Ditto for the Excursion and Expedition. [Try backing up in those vehicles].
The Sequoia was interesting (being new and all that) but rather blase on the inside and just not as comfortably appointed. Her view was why buy the Sequoia when the LX/TLC was simply a better vehicle fit and finish wise. We both felt that the Sequoia ride was as truck-like as the Expedition (or maybe marginally better).
She thought the LX was the perfect combo of luxury, safety, utility, refinement and quality and most importantly, the 3rd row seats are separately removeable. She liked the adjustable height control too. In fact, there is nothing to dislike in the LX. She thought the dashboard layout in the LX was better [lit] than the TLC. She is absolutely coddled at the dealership, too.
On my part, I like my cars to coddle me. Thats why I buy S class Mercedes cars and Lexus cars. I am less into performance so the BMW has never been an option (although I admit I lusted after the 750iL in my 'first' youth). I do like to step on it on occasion but I have been accused by my spouse of driving like an old man. Go figure!
You will love the LX and you will enjoy the ownership experience.
[insert appropriate disclaimer for bias/self dealing].
#329 of 5282 Thanks, Sweety
Dec 31, 2000 (4:11 pm)
Not much time, just wanted to say thanks for your input - did not know you could remove 3rd row with any ease, was told you needed nuts and bolts. Two strollers is great room. Is it pretty easy for you to get into the back (3rd row)? Do the 2nd and 3rd row seats recline? My 4 yr old always falls asleep in car and his head always flops forward and it drives me nuts! also no side air bags. Does it really drive differently - I have only driven the Seq - its so hard to test drive with the kids or even with my infant - I have not been able to part with her yet! Thanks for your responses to my questions! Stacy
#330 of 5282 Odometer--Larger Wheels/Tires
Dec 31, 2000 (8:39 pm)
Anyone know if there is an easy dealer-fix to recalibrate the odometer computer for larger wheels/tires on the 100 Series? What's the charge involved?