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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks - For almost two weeks, we drove all three trucks in a variety of terrain including urban crush, freeways and gravel roads. We loaded and unloaded them, poked and prodded them, and even dyno-tested them. (more)

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#41 of 259 Re: Rocky [drfill] by toykicks

Jan 30, 2007 (7:20 pm)

Replying to: drfill (Jan 30, 2007 4:59 pm)
Truck trend just tested the new yukon denali with the 6.2 engine. The truck looks nice it averaged 12.8 mpg on their test and requires premium. Engine is rated at 380hp & 417 lbft of torque. towing cap is 7900
 
The sierra denali is another story though
 
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#42 of 259 Sierra power lag by snapdave

Jan 30, 2007 (10:36 pm)

This 4 second power lag boils my blood. It’s sneaky and dishonest. This from a company fighting for its survival. They should be licking my boots to help them stay in business, not trying to screw me. As someone shopping for a new vehicle this year, I have to say that this hurts GM’s credibility a great deal for me. Even more so considering the unsuspecting suckers who will buy one expecting what’s advertised. Everyone knows that the vast majority of pickup miles driven aren’t hauling much of a load. In ordering a 6.0 liter we simply want a fast vehicle. Thankfully, the 0-60 numbers can’t lie. I would think they’re unlikely to do this with the Sierra Denali or Denali XL I’m interested in, or would they?
 
I’ve always been put off as well by GM as big brother. Big brother will turn your lights on at all times and big brother OnStar will know where you are at all times. It’s for your own protection. Toyota gives you a choice.
 
I’m also put off by the way they refuse to deal with the criminal way we’re treated by their dealers. They should set up sting operations on salesmen and mechanics and if necessary revoke the dealers’ right to sell their cars. They say they can’t do anything about it, but it’s a lack of motivation.
 
I’d like to buy American, but they still don’t get it. And, frankly the Tundra is built by Americans while my Dodge was built by North Americans but no Americans. Aside from the ugly dash, Toyota has simply gone all out to make a great truck.

#43 of 259 Re: Rocky [gearhead1] by kcram HOST

Jan 30, 2007 (11:36 pm)

Replying to: gearhead1 (Jan 30, 2007 1:49 pm)
The only engine I can find under the Denali at the GMC web site is a 6.0 liter Vortec 300hp, 360ft lbs of torque (performance package boosts it to 345hp). Hardly a competitor to the Tundra 5.7. They must be keeping that engine a secret.
 
I'll give GMC credit where it's due. The powertrain for the new Sierra Denali is the 6.2L V8 rated at 400 hp/417 lb-ft with the new 6L80 6-speed automatic. Granted, that powertrain is only on the Denali and no other Silverado/Sierra 1500.
 
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#44 of 259 Re: Rocky [rockylee] by gabster1

Jan 31, 2007 (8:53 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Jan 30, 2007 12:36 pm)
you know it isnt even a fair comparison. The Silverado is by far the best truck out of the tundra, titan, and ram. The F-150, F-250, and F-350 are also strong competitors. Probably overall they are the best truck. Now as to the silverado and tundra. The tundra offers 3 engines. Im not going to talk about the 6 cyl. It offers 2 8cyl. It offers a 4.7 litre I8 -271hp (the one most people will buy) and a 5.7 I8- 381hp (a very costly alternative). For the price of the 5.7 I8 you could buy a HD Chevy or Ford, and they are positively better trucks. Toyota did improve their fuel economy overall, but still cant compete with chevy's active fuel management. The 4.7 I8-271hp does 15/18mpg. The top of the line as tested does 14/18mpg. It is definetly a strong half ton truck with a payload of 2000lbs. The top of the line will tow a little over 10000lbs. The tundra seems great with the 5.7 I8 but is it really worth it? Most will buy the 4.7 I8. Now the question is whether it is stong enough as other smaller V8s that chevy offers.
 
The best thing about Chevy trucks are all the options they offer. YOu could spend a month just studying the options available. Everyone needs something different. to begin with it offers 4 different suspension. a Z83, Z85, Z60, and Z71. They also offer 2x4 and 4x4s. another great thing is that the 4x4 is automatic. CHevy also offers 4 different engines on their half ton trucks. 3 Vortec V8s. standard V8= 4.8 -295hp, then 5.3 -315hp, then 6.0 -367hp. Most will buy the 5.3 V8. the 5.3 V8 will be equally priced as the 4.7 I8-271hp truck. Chevy trucks come with active fuel management so 5.3 V8 will do 16/22 as opposed to 15/18 on 4.7 I8 toyota. The top of the line 6.0 V8 does 15/19 with 4x4 as opposed to 5.7 I8 that does 14/18. Another major asset is the 5yr/100,000 powertrain warranty as opposed to a Toyota 3yr/36000 powertrain warranty. It also offers onstar which to many is a must. I truly cant live with out it. Safety is also a concern to me.
 
I cant believe they even made a comparison like this. sure the 5.7 I8 is a strong truck but so is a 2500HD silverado that costs the same. plus the 6.0 V8 tows 10500lbs and has a payload of 2200 lbs. so the half ton silverado tows more and have more payload than the tundra overall. in my opinion the 5.3 V8 is the best option. if you want the 6.0litre go for it. if money isnt an issue for you get the 6.2litre V8 that the sierra denali offers. same engine as the escalades

#45 of 259 Re: Rocky [gabster1] by saddaddy

Jan 31, 2007 (9:03 am)

Sir, did you not see that the Tundra bested the Silverado (with active fuel management) mileage by over 2mpg in Edmunds' test.

#46 of 259 Re: Rocky [saddaddy] by gabster1

Jan 31, 2007 (9:10 am)

if you want read my comment again or just go to the dealerships or just go the chevy.com and toyota.com and look at the facts. i am not lying to you. who is edmunds? overall toyota falls short of Chevy. in a specific comparison it may compete well, but overall it cant. Another thing is that all chevys are coming with flexfuel E85 making them evironment friendly. of course ethanol isnt really out right now.

#47 of 259 Re: Rocky [saddaddy] by rockylee

Jan 31, 2007 (3:24 pm)

Replying to: gabster1 (Jan 31, 2007 9:10 am)
There is a lot of variables in fuel economy testing. If the testers all have lead foots like most car editors do then the active fuel management never has a chance to kick in....BTW Most GM trucks achieve better fuel economy once they are broken in. Usually 6-8K you will see a noticable difference.
 
Rocky

#48 of 259 Gabby by drfill

Jan 31, 2007 (9:28 pm)

I cant believe they even made a comparison like this. sure the 5.7 I8 is a strong truck but so is a 2500HD silverado that costs the same. plus the 6.0 V8 tows 10500lbs and has a payload of 2200 lbs.
 
   Weren't testing 1-ton, testing half-tons.
  
   If they did test the 2500, it would've lost the ride quality the 1500 executed so well. They don't ride the same, nor should they. Certainly don't handle the same.
 
   And with 4-speeds, fuel economy will really fall if it's towing that much, and the 'Yota will pull faster, and be more efficient doing it.
 
   Strong, fast, and efficient is a nice foundation for any truck. Toyota has the advantage here.
 
   DrFill

#49 of 259 Re: Gabby [drfill] by rockylee

Jan 31, 2007 (10:11 pm)

Strong, fast, and efficient is a nice foundation for any truck. Toyota has the advantage here.
 
The advantage is razor thin. What's a crew-max 5.7 V8 going to cost ? If it's GMC Sierra Denali territory wouldn't you rather have the Denali and the extra features and luxury not to mention power ?
 
Rocky

#50 of 259 Re: Gabby [rockylee] by toykicks

Feb 01, 2007 (1:22 am)

They're priced competitively.
 
what impressed me about the 5.7 tundra is how its torque peaks at 3600 rpm and continues to pump out 90% of its torque all the way to 5300+ rpm and 90% from 2000rpm - 3600rpm and doesnt require premium to boot. These trucks will be priced around the same as a comparable sierra or silverado with a 5.3 engine.
 
the sierra denali will probably be priced over 50k at most dealerships. For that kinda money you could get a diesel truck with higher towing & payload ratings.

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