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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks - For almost two weeks, we drove all three trucks in a variety of terrain including urban crush, freeways and gravel roads. We loaded and unloaded them, poked and prodded them, and even dyno-tested them. (more)
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Replying to: captainmatty (Jun 25, 2007 11:06 pm)  Actually, after a friend of mine got fed up with his second GMC lemon, he went and purchased a new Tundra. Even though he is a service mgr for a GMC dealer in NH, having an entire shop floor of techs to fix every problem he had with them wasn't enough to keep him in the last truck. After a while it's tough to ignore Toyota quality and durability I guess. Even the most diehard domestic fans can fold. 
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Replying to: obyone (Jun 25, 2007 9:18 pm) |
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Replying to: 1offroader (Jun 24, 2007 10:01 am) Nobody is trying to convince you of anything you haven't already convinced yourself of. Buy whatever you like. All I was pointing out was that even Toyota's commercial tests show the strength of its breaking, towing, acceleration. It wasn't that long ago that the Detroit3 were doing the same. Now they're resorting to going 28mph on dirt roads to show that the wiggle is less on an empty truck. It would be better for them to not even bother making that kind of test because it just highlights that on the major things that they used to advertise (for the past 30 years) like towing, hauling, being on the ranch and taking abuse in rough conditions, they aren't superior to their competition. In other words, they're doing a better job promoting the Tundra through these tests than Toyota's commercials. I'm not saying that the Tundra is perfect, and I'm not saying that the twins are terrible. I'm simply pointing out a few things, namely: - GM/Ford/Dodge should be advertising their trucks based on their perceived strengths that are based on main-stream truck use (i.e. towing, hauling, interior accomodations, "toughness", etc.) -- not obtuse tests -- nobody goes 28mph in an empty truck on a gravel road unless they're battling the storm of the century (of course that wouldn't lend themselves to caring about how much wiggle their bed has at the time). - Tundra sales will pick up year after year and everybody's slice of the pie will be altered. Like it or not, more competition means more choices and the generation that was (for whatever their reasons) loyal to a particular brand is becoming less of the overall buying population as they age (as we all do). - Yes, current Tundra sales figures may not compare with GM's or even Ford's, but they're increasing substantially every month and they're looking more and more like they may achieve their goal of 200K in sales. That won't hurt GM or Ford, but I'm sure it impacts their prices, even just a little. - NHTSA is a good example of one of the Tundra's weaknesses, but "dead last" as you call in a test that less than 2% of multiple-car accidents in this country encounter is hardly something to put too much emphasis on. You're much more likely to get t-boned than have a head-on collision. It just seems like GM and Ford kind of panicked when the Tundra came out as evidenced by their commercials. They made it a bigger deal than it really was. Just let Toyota have their 15 mins of fame and don't bring too much attention to it and the excitement of it will wear off. Of course, I'm sure you'll have a strong rebuttal for whatever reason, but just take a few deep breaths and relax. Nobody is attacking you or what you drive! Enjoy the fact that there is plenty out there for everyone. 
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I was very curious about the YouTube Video of the Tundra and F150 going at 28 MPH. The only thing this video shows is that Ford Engineers found the first harmonic of Toyota Tundra frame. First of all all cars and trucks, and bridges and buildings have their own natural frequency. It just so happens that 28 MPH and the distance between the bumps on the Ford test track exactly matches the resonance frequency of Toyota Tundra. Don't forget that Ford F150 also has its own resonance frequency. Its just not at 28mph. Maybe its at 32MPH, and then the F150 will look just like Tundra going over that same test track. The funny thing is that Tundra will be very steady at 32 MPH (because we already know that 28 MPH is the natural frequency for Tundra) So this test that people are talking about is completely meaningless. That does not mean that the launch of Toyota Tundra is such a success. In fact by Toyota standards, I would say the launch is a complete failure. Right now Toyota has a $4500 rebate on 4.7 iForce engine Tundra in Atlanta. The fact that Toyota has managed to increase their sales by 70% means nothing. They just build a brand new factory that can produce 200,000 trucks per year. They also happend to spend $1,000,000,000 dollars on this brand new factory. They are dumping Tundra on the market just to keep their NEW factory running. Any car that needs a $4500 rebate only 5 months after its introduction is a failure. The only thing that Tundra has going for it is the 5.7 iForce Engine. The rest of the truck is a joke. Getting 4 stars on the front crash test is a joke. Especially when every other truck on the market has 5 stars. I can't believe that people even argue that this test is not important. Doesn't Toyota run computer simulations to predict the behavior of their products on the crash test before they even build the truck. Its not like this test was just introduced. People say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and to me the exterior of Tundra is ugly. The interior of Tundra is very cheap looking. I went to Toyota dealer and compared the interior Tundra with a Camry that cost half as much money. The Camry interior has much better materials. I can't believe how cheap the Tundra interior looks. The seats are great, but dash board, door panels and the rest of the stuff scream Kia, not Toyota. I think that history will show that this version of Tundra is a complete failure and I would expect Toyota to make a quick refresh with in a year or two. Toyota knows how to build great cars and they quickly fix their mistakes.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jun 26, 2007 5:14 am) I like hanging out in this post because of the awarded truck it shows at the top!!!!!!!
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Replying to: captainmatty (Jun 26, 2007 9:35 am) Take it up with the moderators if you have a problem... They may have a problem with you making it personal. Start thinking about what color you want your Sierra Denali to be. How about  Yellow? I like hanging out in this post because of the awarded truck it shows at the top!!!!!!! How bout contributing then cause the babbling is a waste of space.
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Replying to: gtee (Jun 26, 2007 9:06 am) The fact is that Toyota does run their own simulation. The design engineers were scrambling once the results hit the streets. I would venture to say someone's head went rolling with this one. It is totally inexcusable. |
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Replying to: gtee (Jun 26, 2007 9:06 am) |
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Replying to: belias (Jun 26, 2007 8:20 am) I think you're showing your frustration at being embarrassed by your previous statement about "obtuse tests". Those were your words, not mine, and I simply called you out on them. Toyota is the company performing incredibly obtuse tests, and I provided several famous examples. So, where's your beef? Next time you post, think about it first. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person, but one who, alas, doesn't completely think before you post. BTW, I didn't post the original link on the 28 mph test, someone else did. So, I'm not sure why you bring that up in the context of my post. Perhaps you can explain? The test did show an outrageous amount of bed flex and bounce that I would not expect in a truck that had been fully tested and vetted by the engineers. As to the NHTSA test, I stand by my words - Tundra placed L-A-S-T. The record speaks for itself. 4 stars isn't horrible, I never said it was. It's just not 5 stars, like each of the Big 3 got. Get over it, dude. As to attacking me or what I drive, whoever said that? Geez, belias - get a life, woodja? When someone honestly and objectively refutes your statements, take it like a man and move on! Cowboy Up! 1offroader
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Replying to: 1offroader (Jun 26, 2007 6:04 pm) "Geez, belias - get a life, woodja? When someone honestly and objectively refutes your statements, take it like a man and move on! Cowboy Up!" Give em a break would ya? No one cyber bullied you around for your ground breaking words of wisdom in post #223. Very hypocritical bro....
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