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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks - For almost two weeks, we drove all three trucks in a variety of terrain including urban crush, freeways and gravel roads. We loaded and unloaded them, poked and prodded them, and even dyno-tested them. (more)
#37 of 259 Re: Rocky [rockylee]
Jan 30, 2007 (11:53 am)
No comparison is more "apples-to-oranges" than comparing the Sierra Denali to any 1/2 ton other than the Mark LT.
#38 of 259 Re: Rocky [rockylee]
Jan 30, 2007 (12:49 pm)
Just a bit biased are we.
Nothing but the facts. You want the best powertrain, you'll be buying a Toyota 5.7 6 speed. GM can't touch it and that's a fact. Every publication knows it. GM rushed their truck to market to take Truck of the year with nothing in the market to compete with it and surprise they won.
Give me a Sierra Denali, and I will out do the Tundra's in every test
The only engine I can find under the Denali at the GMC web site is a 6.0 liter Vortec 300hp, 360ft lbs of torque (performance package boosts it to 345hp). Hardly a competitor to the Tundra 5.7. They must be keeping that engine a secret. It's hard
to sell a engine when you don't even advertise it, or are you talking about some fantasy engine in the future. How much is the Denali with that engine? Base MSRP on a Denali even with that engine is $40,000 plus. You can get a 07 Tundra Crew Max 4x4 5.7 liter 6 speed for that. it's not even a comparison. Who in their right mind would even consider a Denali. That must be why they don't sell many.
Please tell me where this engine (That beats the 5.7) is on the GMC website.
#39 of 259 North American Truck of the Year
Jan 30, 2007 (3:37 pm)
The Tundra wasn't even eligible, so how is that an apples-apples comparison.
Jan 30, 2007 (3:59 pm)
Don't have a problem with the Silverado, from all reports it is splitting hairs to find out which truck is better. Some like the Tundra, some the Chevy. That's fine. I'm sure Toyota is more than fine with that!
The NATOTY award didn't necessarily include test drives, or more importantly, tests on their intended-use like towing, and off-road.
I'm not prepared to say the Chevy or the Tundra is the best. But Tundra is a prime suspect. And that's just fine by 'Yota.
I sat in the Tundra at the Auto Show this weekend, and the Regular Cab is cavernous! And I'm 6'4". The door is like a barn door. And the interior doesn't lack quality, it is similar to other Toyota vehicles. It just has a funny paint scheme. It is original. Not better or worse than others, just different.
What's important is it has passed Ram, F-150 and Titan, and now can sit at the table with the new Chevy, which had to pull out all the stops on.
Toyota did a nice job, and Chevy did a nice job. I would buy the Toyota because it's better looking, and is at least as good dynamically.
#41 of 259 Re: Rocky [drfill]
Jan 30, 2007 (6:20 pm)
Truck trend just tested the new yukon denali with the 6.2 engine. The truck looks nice it averaged 12.8 mpg on their test and requires premium. Engine is rated at 380hp & 417 lbft of torque. towing cap is 7900
The sierra denali is another story though
#42 of 259 Sierra power lag
Jan 30, 2007 (9:36 pm)
This 4 second power lag boils my blood. Itís sneaky and dishonest. This from a company fighting for its survival. They should be licking my boots to help them stay in business, not trying to screw me. As someone shopping for a new vehicle this year, I have to say that this hurts GMís credibility a great deal for me. Even more so considering the unsuspecting suckers who will buy one expecting whatís advertised. Everyone knows that the vast majority of pickup miles driven arenít hauling much of a load. In ordering a 6.0 liter we simply want a fast vehicle. Thankfully, the 0-60 numbers canít lie. I would think theyíre unlikely to do this with the Sierra Denali or Denali XL Iím interested in, or would they?
Iíve always been put off as well by GM as big brother. Big brother will turn your lights on at all times and big brother OnStar will know where you are at all times. Itís for your own protection. Toyota gives you a choice.
Iím also put off by the way they refuse to deal with the criminal way weíre treated by their dealers. They should set up sting operations on salesmen and mechanics and if necessary revoke the dealersí right to sell their cars. They say they canít do anything about it, but itís a lack of motivation.
Iíd like to buy American, but they still donít get it. And, frankly the Tundra is built by Americans while my Dodge was built by North Americans but no Americans. Aside from the ugly dash, Toyota has simply gone all out to make a great truck.
#43 of 259 Re: Rocky [gearhead1]
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
Jan 30, 2007 (10:36 pm)
The only engine I can find under the Denali at the GMC web site is a 6.0 liter Vortec 300hp, 360ft lbs of torque (performance package boosts it to 345hp). Hardly a competitor to the Tundra 5.7. They must be keeping that engine a secret.
I'll give GMC credit where it's due. The powertrain for the new Sierra Denali is the 6.2L V8 rated at 400 hp/417 lb-ft with the new 6L80 6-speed automatic. Granted, that powertrain is only on the Denali and no other Silverado/Sierra 1500.
kcram - Pickups Host
#44 of 259 Re: Rocky [rockylee]
Jan 31, 2007 (7:53 am)
you know it isnt even a fair comparison. The Silverado is by far the best truck out of the tundra, titan, and ram. The F-150, F-250, and F-350 are also strong competitors. Probably overall they are the best truck. Now as to the silverado and tundra. The tundra offers 3 engines. Im not going to talk about the 6 cyl. It offers 2 8cyl. It offers a 4.7 litre I8 -271hp (the one most people will buy) and a 5.7 I8- 381hp (a very costly alternative). For the price of the 5.7 I8 you could buy a HD Chevy or Ford, and they are positively better trucks. Toyota did improve their fuel economy overall, but still cant compete with chevy's active fuel management. The 4.7 I8-271hp does 15/18mpg. The top of the line as tested does 14/18mpg. It is definetly a strong half ton truck with a payload of 2000lbs. The top of the line will tow a little over 10000lbs. The tundra seems great with the 5.7 I8 but is it really worth it? Most will buy the 4.7 I8. Now the question is whether it is stong enough as other smaller V8s that chevy offers.
The best thing about Chevy trucks are all the options they offer. YOu could spend a month just studying the options available. Everyone needs something different. to begin with it offers 4 different suspension. a Z83, Z85, Z60, and Z71. They also offer 2x4 and 4x4s. another great thing is that the 4x4 is automatic. CHevy also offers 4 different engines on their half ton trucks. 3 Vortec V8s. standard V8= 4.8 -295hp, then 5.3 -315hp, then 6.0 -367hp. Most will buy the 5.3 V8. the 5.3 V8 will be equally priced as the 4.7 I8-271hp truck. Chevy trucks come with active fuel management so 5.3 V8 will do 16/22 as opposed to 15/18 on 4.7 I8 toyota. The top of the line 6.0 V8 does 15/19 with 4x4 as opposed to 5.7 I8 that does 14/18. Another major asset is the 5yr/100,000 powertrain warranty as opposed to a Toyota 3yr/36000 powertrain warranty. It also offers onstar which to many is a must. I truly cant live with out it. Safety is also a concern to me.
I cant believe they even made a comparison like this. sure the 5.7 I8 is a strong truck but so is a 2500HD silverado that costs the same. plus the 6.0 V8 tows 10500lbs and has a payload of 2200 lbs. so the half ton silverado tows more and have more payload than the tundra overall. in my opinion the 5.3 V8 is the best option. if you want the 6.0litre go for it. if money isnt an issue for you get the 6.2litre V8 that the sierra denali offers. same engine as the escalades
#45 of 259 Re: Rocky [gabster1]
Jan 31, 2007 (8:03 am)
Sir, did you not see that the Tundra bested the Silverado (with active fuel management) mileage by over 2mpg in Edmunds' test.
#46 of 259 Re: Rocky [saddaddy]
Jan 31, 2007 (8:10 am)
if you want read my comment again or just go to the dealerships or just go the chevy.com and toyota.com and look at the facts. i am not lying to you. who is edmunds? overall toyota falls short of Chevy. in a specific comparison it may compete well, but overall it cant. Another thing is that all chevys are coming with flexfuel E85 making them evironment friendly. of course ethanol isnt really out right now.