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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks - For almost two weeks, we drove all three trucks in a variety of terrain including urban crush, freeways and gravel roads. We loaded and unloaded them, poked and prodded them, and even dyno-tested them. (more)
#233 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [obyone]
Jun 25, 2007 (6:45 pm)
Your right. I'm sorry for making the assumption that you care about the "twins." It was unreasonable to think that you did care, considering that of the 6k posts you have made on this site and about 75%+ of the posts you made you are discussing some sort of GM product like the GM "twins".
#234 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [ggesq]
Jun 25, 2007 (8:18 pm)
Having owned a Chevy truck and working consistently with the dealership (my owners folder was more than 2" thick at the dealership) I became a sort of expert on the problems that plagued those trucks and posted solutions to whoever asked.
Haha and yes 6k posts over 7 years most of them dealing with GM trucks. I drive a '05 Titan now.
#235 of 259 Don't matter, wear the seat belt.
Jun 25, 2007 (10:06 pm)
My current job that I am not in love with, has me out driving about in many areas of Southern California. I have witnessed a few accidents and passed by many fresh accidents. From Hummer to Fiesta, it is unbelievable what any vehicle looks like after a head-on at double the speed of a crash test. Those wildly unreasonable shoddy crash tests reveal nothing. Not all crashes are EXACTLY THE SAME that happen out there. A smash to the front, back, side, corners, underneath, top, inside, engine passing through firewall and dash, and whatever; it is always interesting to see what vehicles passengers fared better or worse OUT THERE after a particular accident.
Oh those are probably the same testers who bad-mouthed the Astro Van. Some years back, my brother's 1988 Astro took the life of a 1998 Mazda 929 which ran a red light. We were both up front and sustained 0 injuries in the Astro, Mazda driver a little bloody, nothing serious. The Mazda's uprooted EMPTY front passenger seat had the guy pinned for a few minutes against the driver door, but he got himself out. Lucky for the guy, that seat shielded him from all the glass. The totaled Mazdas right front door was pushed in against the center console. The Astro was in and out of the body shop in 9 working days.
No ifs, ands, or buts. The moral here ladies and gentlemen is that if you absolutely need a new half-ton, you should go and get yourself a 2007 Silverado (1st), F-150 (2nd), Ram (3rd), or titan (4th).
#236 of 259 Re: Don't matter, wear the seat belt. [captainmatty]
Jun 26, 2007 (4:14 am)
What you don't like the Sierra?
Actually, after a friend of mine got fed up with his second GMC lemon, he went and purchased a new Tundra. Even though he is a service mgr for a GMC dealer in NH, having an entire shop floor of techs to fix every problem he had with them wasn't enough to keep him in the last truck.
After a while it's tough to ignore Toyota quality and durability I guess. Even the most diehard domestic fans can fold.
#237 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [obyone]
Jun 26, 2007 (4:18 am)
Titan is a nice truck btw, Kudos. I rode along on a test drive of an Armada so I know what a monster the Endurance motor is.
#238 of 259 Re: Pretty Good [1offroader]
Jun 26, 2007 (7:20 am)
Nobody is trying to convince you of anything you haven't already convinced yourself of. Buy whatever you like. All I was pointing out was that even Toyota's commercial tests show the strength of its breaking, towing, acceleration. It wasn't that long ago that the Detroit3 were doing the same. Now they're resorting to going 28mph on dirt roads to show that the wiggle is less on an empty truck.
It would be better for them to not even bother making that kind of test because it just highlights that on the major things that they used to advertise (for the past 30 years) like towing, hauling, being on the ranch and taking abuse in rough conditions, they aren't superior to their competition.
In other words, they're doing a better job promoting the Tundra through these tests than Toyota's commercials.
I'm not saying that the Tundra is perfect, and I'm not saying that the twins are terrible. I'm simply pointing out a few things, namely:
- GM/Ford/Dodge should be advertising their trucks based on their perceived strengths that are based on main-stream truck use (i.e. towing, hauling, interior accomodations, "toughness", etc.) -- not obtuse tests -- nobody goes 28mph in an empty truck on a gravel road unless they're battling the storm of the century (of course that wouldn't lend themselves to caring about how much wiggle their bed has at the time).
- Tundra sales will pick up year after year and everybody's slice of the pie will be altered. Like it or not, more competition means more choices and the generation that was (for whatever their reasons) loyal to a particular brand is becoming less of the overall buying population as they age (as we all do).
- Yes, current Tundra sales figures may not compare with GM's or even Ford's, but they're increasing substantially every month and they're looking more and more like they may achieve their goal of 200K in sales. That won't hurt GM or Ford, but I'm sure it impacts their prices, even just a little.
- NHTSA is a good example of one of the Tundra's weaknesses, but "dead last" as you call in a test that less than 2% of multiple-car accidents in this country encounter is hardly something to put too much emphasis on. You're much more likely to get t-boned than have a head-on collision.
It just seems like GM and Ford kind of panicked when the Tundra came out as evidenced by their commercials. They made it a bigger deal than it really was. Just let Toyota have their 15 mins of fame and don't bring too much attention to it and the excitement of it will wear off.
Of course, I'm sure you'll have a strong rebuttal for whatever reason, but just take a few deep breaths and relax. Nobody is attacking you or what you drive! Enjoy the fact that there is plenty out there for everyone.
#239 of 259 28 MPH comparison test.
Jun 26, 2007 (8:06 am)
I was very curious about the YouTube Video of the Tundra and F150 going at 28 MPH. The only thing this video shows is that Ford Engineers found the first harmonic of Toyota Tundra frame. First of all all cars and trucks, and bridges and buildings have their own natural frequency. It just so happens that 28 MPH and the distance between the bumps on the Ford test track exactly matches the resonance frequency of Toyota Tundra. Don't forget that Ford F150 also has its own resonance frequency. Its just not at 28mph. Maybe its at 32MPH, and then the F150 will look just like Tundra going over that same test track. The funny thing is that Tundra will be very steady at 32 MPH (because we already know that 28 MPH is the natural frequency for Tundra)
So this test that people are talking about is completely meaningless.
That does not mean that the launch of Toyota Tundra is such a success. In fact by Toyota standards, I would say the launch is a complete failure. Right now Toyota has a $4500 rebate on 4.7 iForce engine Tundra in Atlanta. The fact that Toyota has managed to increase their sales by 70% means nothing. They just build a brand new factory that can produce 200,000 trucks per year. They also happend to spend $1,000,000,000 dollars on this brand new factory. They are dumping Tundra on the market just to keep their NEW factory running. Any car that needs a $4500 rebate only 5 months after its introduction is a failure. The only thing that Tundra has going for it is the 5.7 iForce Engine. The rest of the truck is a joke.
Getting 4 stars on the front crash test is a joke. Especially when every other truck on the market has 5 stars. I can't believe that people even argue that this test is not important. Doesn't Toyota run computer simulations to predict the behavior of their products on the crash test before they even build the truck. Its not like this test was just introduced. People say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and to me the exterior of Tundra is ugly. The interior of Tundra is very cheap looking. I went to Toyota dealer and compared the interior Tundra with a Camry that cost half as much money. The Camry interior has much better materials. I can't believe how cheap the Tundra interior looks. The seats are great, but dash board, door panels and the rest of the stuff scream Kia, not Toyota.
I think that history will show that this version of Tundra is a complete failure and I would expect Toyota to make a quick refresh with in a year or two. Toyota knows how to build great cars and they quickly fix their mistakes.
#240 of 259 Re: Don't matter, wear the seat belt. [anythngbutgm]
Jun 26, 2007 (8:35 am)
How could I forget. Shame on me. The professional grade Sierra is at 1st place with the Silverado. Be a person of sound mind and buy one anythngbutgm. Anythngbutgm is the most horrible name to give yourself, whats the matter with you? Start thinking about what color you want your Sierra Denali to be.
I like hanging out in this post because of the awarded truck it shows at the top!!!!!!!
#241 of 259 Re: Don't matter, wear the seat belt. [captainmatty]
Jun 26, 2007 (9:31 am)
Be a person of sound mind and buy one anythngbutgm. Anythngbutgm is the most horrible name to give yourself, whats the matter with you?
Take it up with the moderators if you have a problem... They may have a problem with you making it personal.
Start thinking about what color you want your Sierra Denali to be.
How about Yellow?
I like hanging out in this post because of the awarded truck it shows at the top!!!!!!!
How bout contributing then cause the babbling is a waste of space.
#242 of 259 Re: 28 MPH comparison test. [gtee]
Jun 26, 2007 (9:36 am)
"Doesn't Toyota run computer simulations to predict the behavior of their products on the crash test before they even build the truck. Its not like this test was just introduced"
The fact is that Toyota does run their own simulation. The design engineers were scrambling once the results hit the streets. I would venture to say someone's head went rolling with this one. It is totally inexcusable.