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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks - For almost two weeks, we drove all three trucks in a variety of terrain including urban crush, freeways and gravel roads. We loaded and unloaded them, poked and prodded them, and even dyno-tested them. (more)

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#229 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [obyone] by anythngbutgm

Jun 25, 2007 (12:26 pm)

Replying to: obyone (Jun 25, 2007 12:05 pm)
Not yet. I'm still on the fence about whether to find a single cab, 2WD short box 5.7 to build up. They don't exist in New England so I'd be heading south to buy one. I'm mostly a Ford guy when it comes to trucks, but driving my buddys 5.7 DC has me sold on the Tundra.
 
At the moment I am just a spectator...

#230 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [obyone] by anythngbutgm

Jun 25, 2007 (12:36 pm)

Replying to: obyone (Jun 25, 2007 12:04 pm)
For some reason you seem to think that the ratings on the GM twins matter to me. They do not. There is no denying the four star rating that the Tundra received.
 
lol, aren't you contradicting yourself?
 
That's like saying I don't mind a noisy V8 engine, but there's no denying the fact that GM V8's have been plagued with piston slap issues (which make it sound like a noisy, clattering wreck)...
 
Just joshin ya

#231 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [anythngbutgm] by obyone

Jun 25, 2007 (1:13 pm)

Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jun 25, 2007 12:36 pm)
ggesq made the comparison in his post between the GM twins and the Tundra results. If I owned one of the twins I may have been concerned. Since I don't it doesn't really matter to me. I was just commenting on the Tundra.
 
I did own a '00 Silverado a couple of years back and when looking for a new truck found one dealer who wanted a credit app filled before negotiating and a second dealer who didn't have the color I wanted so I ended up buying something else. The 5.3 had no piston slap. Perhaps I was one of the lucky ones.

#232 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [kcram] by 1offroader

Jun 25, 2007 (6:04 pm)

Replying to: kcram (Jun 24, 2007 6:23 pm)
You're right, kcram. Post #223 was in poor taste and I apologize.
 
1offroader

#233 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [obyone] by ggesq

Jun 25, 2007 (7:45 pm)

Replying to: obyone (Jun 25, 2007 1:13 pm)
Your right. I'm sorry for making the assumption that you care about the "twins." It was unreasonable to think that you did care, considering that of the 6k posts you have made on this site and about 75%+ of the posts you made you are discussing some sort of GM product like the GM "twins".
 
My bad....

#234 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [ggesq] by obyone

Jun 25, 2007 (9:18 pm)

Replying to: ggesq (Jun 25, 2007 7:45 pm)
Having owned a Chevy truck and working consistently with the dealership (my owners folder was more than 2" thick at the dealership) I became a sort of expert on the problems that plagued those trucks and posted solutions to whoever asked.
 
Haha and yes 6k posts over 7 years most of them dealing with GM trucks. I drive a '05 Titan now.

#235 of 259 Don't matter, wear the seat belt. by captainmatty

Jun 25, 2007 (11:06 pm)

My current job that I am not in love with, has me out driving about in many areas of Southern California. I have witnessed a few accidents and passed by many fresh accidents. From Hummer to Fiesta, it is unbelievable what any vehicle looks like after a head-on at double the speed of a crash test. Those wildly unreasonable shoddy crash tests reveal nothing. Not all crashes are EXACTLY THE SAME that happen out there. A smash to the front, back, side, corners, underneath, top, inside, engine passing through firewall and dash, and whatever; it is always interesting to see what vehicles passengers fared better or worse OUT THERE after a particular accident.
 
Oh those are probably the same testers who bad-mouthed the Astro Van. Some years back, my brother's 1988 Astro took the life of a 1998 Mazda 929 which ran a red light. We were both up front and sustained 0 injuries in the Astro, Mazda driver a little bloody, nothing serious. The Mazda's uprooted EMPTY front passenger seat had the guy pinned for a few minutes against the driver door, but he got himself out. Lucky for the guy, that seat shielded him from all the glass. The totaled Mazdas right front door was pushed in against the center console. The Astro was in and out of the body shop in 9 working days.
 
http://www.txchange.com/srastro.jpg
 
No ifs, ands, or buts. The moral here ladies and gentlemen is that if you absolutely need a new half-ton, you should go and get yourself a 2007 Silverado (1st), F-150 (2nd), Ram (3rd), or titan (4th).

#236 of 259 Re: Don't matter, wear the seat belt. [captainmatty] by anythngbutgm

Jun 26, 2007 (5:14 am)

Replying to: captainmatty (Jun 25, 2007 11:06 pm)
What you don't like the Sierra?
 
Actually, after a friend of mine got fed up with his second GMC lemon, he went and purchased a new Tundra. Even though he is a service mgr for a GMC dealer in NH, having an entire shop floor of techs to fix every problem he had with them wasn't enough to keep him in the last truck.
 
After a while it's tough to ignore Toyota quality and durability I guess. Even the most diehard domestic fans can fold.

#237 of 259 Re: With Tundra's dismal [obyone] by anythngbutgm

Jun 26, 2007 (5:18 am)

Replying to: obyone (Jun 25, 2007 9:18 pm)
Titan is a nice truck btw, Kudos. I rode along on a test drive of an Armada so I know what a monster the Endurance motor is.

#238 of 259 Re: Pretty Good [1offroader] by belias

Jun 26, 2007 (8:20 am)

Replying to: 1offroader (Jun 24, 2007 10:01 am)
1offroader,
Nobody is trying to convince you of anything you haven't already convinced yourself of. Buy whatever you like. All I was pointing out was that even Toyota's commercial tests show the strength of its breaking, towing, acceleration. It wasn't that long ago that the Detroit3 were doing the same. Now they're resorting to going 28mph on dirt roads to show that the wiggle is less on an empty truck.
It would be better for them to not even bother making that kind of test because it just highlights that on the major things that they used to advertise (for the past 30 years) like towing, hauling, being on the ranch and taking abuse in rough conditions, they aren't superior to their competition.
In other words, they're doing a better job promoting the Tundra through these tests than Toyota's commercials.
I'm not saying that the Tundra is perfect, and I'm not saying that the twins are terrible. I'm simply pointing out a few things, namely:
- GM/Ford/Dodge should be advertising their trucks based on their perceived strengths that are based on main-stream truck use (i.e. towing, hauling, interior accomodations, "toughness", etc.) -- not obtuse tests -- nobody goes 28mph in an empty truck on a gravel road unless they're battling the storm of the century (of course that wouldn't lend themselves to caring about how much wiggle their bed has at the time).
- Tundra sales will pick up year after year and everybody's slice of the pie will be altered. Like it or not, more competition means more choices and the generation that was (for whatever their reasons) loyal to a particular brand is becoming less of the overall buying population as they age (as we all do).
- Yes, current Tundra sales figures may not compare with GM's or even Ford's, but they're increasing substantially every month and they're looking more and more like they may achieve their goal of 200K in sales. That won't hurt GM or Ford, but I'm sure it impacts their prices, even just a little.
- NHTSA is a good example of one of the Tundra's weaknesses, but "dead last" as you call in a test that less than 2% of multiple-car accidents in this country encounter is hardly something to put too much emphasis on. You're much more likely to get t-boned than have a head-on collision.
 
It just seems like GM and Ford kind of panicked when the Tundra came out as evidenced by their commercials. They made it a bigger deal than it really was. Just let Toyota have their 15 mins of fame and don't bring too much attention to it and the excitement of it will wear off.
 
Of course, I'm sure you'll have a strong rebuttal for whatever reason, but just take a few deep breaths and relax. Nobody is attacking you or what you drive! Enjoy the fact that there is plenty out there for everyone.

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