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Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Nissan Titan, Toyota Tundra, Truck
Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks - For almost two weeks, we drove all three trucks in a variety of terrain including urban crush, freeways and gravel roads. We loaded and unloaded them, poked and prodded them, and even dyno-tested them. (more)
#210 of 259 Re: precious cargo [captainmatty]
Jun 06, 2007 (5:26 am)
Wow, that's crazy. Not something I would be looking for if I were comparing, but clearly important if you use your truck as intended. But, as impressive as the Ford is in this test, how often are you really going to be seeing those conditions? I mean how often are you going to be bombing down a road that is THAT bad? Here, in NE, we have some of the worst roads because of the frost heaves and ever fluctuating weather patterns, but a road like that would be closed (unless it were a snowmobile trail).
So yeah, while it's impressive, the conditions are little far-fetched. In that test, clearly the Ford is the stiffest. In the roadtest comparos I've read, that stiffness is also knocked for being harsh and unforgiving, so the results are not surprising. Ford trucks are also German-like in weight, solid yet heavy. The 5.4 is merely adequate to move such a beast.
But kudos to Ford for "overengineering the hell out of it". Looking forward to 2009.
#211 of 259 Re: precious cargo [captainmatty]
Jun 06, 2007 (8:05 pm)
Very interesting. The Silverado was actually pretty close to the Ford. The Silverado color is quite dark so I couldn't see the gap between bed & cab.
The Ford may actually have a softer suspension than the other two trucks. Softer shocks and springs will help absorb irregular bumps like that, but they are adverse when it comes to good handling and cornering under normal circumstances. It seems counterintuitive, but offroad racing vehicles are typically set up with fairly soft suspensions. This helps absorb the bumps and also helps preserve the driver's kidneys during a long race!
I test drove a F-150 and didn't care for the handling - it felt much more "boaty" than the Silverado. This may have something to do with softer shocks and/or springs. I haven't driven the Tundra, but the Silverado is by far the best handling full size pickup (in stock form) that I have ever driven.
The Tundra was AWFUL. In my opinion the only way that could happen is with a lot of frame flex, which doesn't surprise me based on my personal observations of the undercarriage and frame of the Tundra. There has got to be a weird harmonic and frame flex that allows the bed to wobble like that. Either that, or the bed is not anchored very well to the frame. Yikes! Glad I didn't buy one.
#212 of 259 Re: precious cargo [1offroader]
Jun 07, 2007 (5:23 am)
"There has got to be a weird harmonic and frame flex that allows the bed to wobble like that."
I was thinking along those lines as well.
Is 28 mph some sort of odd standard to run that test at? Why not 25 mph or 30 mph? Is it possible that the test (done by Ford) was run at JUST THE RIGHT SPEED to highlight the lack of twist in the F150 compared to the Silvy and particularly the Tundra?
Would the results be different at other speeds? I'm NOT saying the Tundra would be just fine at other speeds; clearly a fully boxed frame section has an advantage in TORSIONAL strength. However, I can't help but think Ford chose a particular speed which set up some weird harmonic in the Tundra.....
#213 of 259 Re: precious cargo [rorr]
Jun 07, 2007 (4:10 pm)
I wouldn't put it past any auto company to rig a comparison test.
You make a good point, the Ford's sweet spot was 28 m.p.h.
If I was running that course with my truck, I'd certainly increase the speed to smooth out the ride.
#214 of 259 Re: precious cargo [driver56]
Jun 07, 2007 (4:13 pm)
BTW, for the record, I have absolutely nothing agin' Ford.
#215 of 259 Re: precious cargo [captainmatty]
Jun 08, 2007 (2:03 pm)
I'm glad a watched this video because I only travel at 28 mph down unimproved roads. Also, reducing the bounce in the truck bed was my highest concern.
#216 of 259 Pretty Good
Jun 22, 2007 (9:48 am)
I think that so far there truck sales are holding up pretty well considering the price of gas. I find it funny that both GM and Ford have resorted to extremely obtuse forms of testing to try to show that their offering is better. It used to be that they would just haul or tow and do some speed and climbing tests... now it is going 28mph on bad roads to show cab wiggle or very specific trailering tests using 3/4 ton trucks instead of 1/2 ton trucks. If anything, it just shows that not only are the likes of the Titan and Tundra very competitive, but that there are very few areas where they aren't better than their rivals. Obviously newer truck versions will leap-frog these offerings, but it is safe to say that the field of competitors has just widened considerably. Not that I think that the Tundra will over-take the industry for trucks anytime soon, but I wouldn't be surprised to see their sales steadily increase over the next few years. Their presence, however small, is definitely being felt by the Detroit3 -- you can see it in the way they are advertising their trucks...
#217 of 259 Re: Article Comments 2007 Half-Ton Pickups Comparison [KarenS]
Jun 22, 2007 (3:36 pm)
personally i think the silverado should win because its the best truck.
#218 of 259 Re: Article Comments 2007 Half-Ton Pickups Comparison [jksunkist1]
Jun 22, 2007 (8:57 pm)
In your heart you know Jedi jksunkist1 is correct.
Only when Silverado you buy, delighted you will be.
The force is strong with Silverados.
"May The Force Be With You".
#219 of 259 Re: Article Comments 2007 Half-Ton Pickups Comparison [captainmatty]
Jun 24, 2007 (6:28 am)
"May The Force Be With You."
Then you must be talking about the Tundra, as their engines are labeled as "I-Force."