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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks - For almost two weeks, we drove all three trucks in a variety of terrain including urban crush, freeways and gravel roads. We loaded and unloaded them, poked and prodded them, and even dyno-tested them. (more)
#202 of 259 Re: We don't need Tundras. [captainmatty]
May 25, 2007 (10:43 am)
"...American products like your Sunbird are quality oriented."
Are you posting satire?
#203 of 259 Re: 70% of Tundra buyers going for the 5.7 engine [rsholland]
May 29, 2007 (12:31 pm)
Hmmmm, I see that the 5.7 is breaking camshafts. Looks to me like "adjusting production" was at the expense of Quality. This doesn't bode well for the already struggling Tundra.
#205 of 259 Re: 70% of Tundra buyers going for the 5.7 engine [trucktricks]
Jun 02, 2007 (4:51 pm)
Yeah, my heart is breaking just like those camshafts.
#206 of 259 Re: 70% of Tundra buyers going for the 5.7 engine [trucktricks]
Jun 03, 2007 (7:05 am)
"The all-new Tundra full-size pickup reported all-time best-ever sales of 17,727, an increase of 113.8 percent over the year-ago month."
Jun 03, 2007 (8:40 am)
I just saw a regular cab Tundra for the first time. That is one seriously ugly pickup. The crew cab Tundra will win no beauty contests, but is more balanced looking and not nearly so homely as the reg cab. Yikes! I predict few sales of those dogs.
I live here in the car capital of the world (So Cal), and I am seeing 7 or 8 new Silverados to each Tundra. I realize that's just an informal observation, but I commute 20 miles each way into downtown L.A. and see literally 1,000s of cars every day. The Tundra doesn't seem to be selling very well. On the other hand, there are tons of the older Tundras. Yes, yes, I know that the new Tundra hasn't been out very long, but with all the TV hype I would have expected to see many more by now.
BTW, I think sales of all full size trucks are going to take a hit due to gas prices. The best price right now for reg. unl. I can find is $3.20. You can buy a LOT of gas for your older pickup for $30,000+.
Jun 05, 2007 (8:28 pm)
If you know how to mix, apply, and sand down bondo. If you hate your dog or your dirt bike. If you want your bales hay to break up. If you want you tools and equipment to scatter about the bed or the camper to slide off, well then you shall drive a Tundra.
Jun 05, 2007 (9:40 pm)
Watch the above video some more, it seems the Silverado is driven faster than 28mph.
It appears the Tundra driver had to let off the gas a few times.
#210 of 259 Re: precious cargo [captainmatty]
Jun 06, 2007 (5:26 am)
Wow, that's crazy. Not something I would be looking for if I were comparing, but clearly important if you use your truck as intended. But, as impressive as the Ford is in this test, how often are you really going to be seeing those conditions? I mean how often are you going to be bombing down a road that is THAT bad? Here, in NE, we have some of the worst roads because of the frost heaves and ever fluctuating weather patterns, but a road like that would be closed (unless it were a snowmobile trail).
So yeah, while it's impressive, the conditions are little far-fetched. In that test, clearly the Ford is the stiffest. In the roadtest comparos I've read, that stiffness is also knocked for being harsh and unforgiving, so the results are not surprising. Ford trucks are also German-like in weight, solid yet heavy. The 5.4 is merely adequate to move such a beast.
But kudos to Ford for "overengineering the hell out of it". Looking forward to 2009.
#211 of 259 Re: precious cargo [captainmatty]
Jun 06, 2007 (8:05 pm)
Very interesting. The Silverado was actually pretty close to the Ford. The Silverado color is quite dark so I couldn't see the gap between bed & cab.
The Ford may actually have a softer suspension than the other two trucks. Softer shocks and springs will help absorb irregular bumps like that, but they are adverse when it comes to good handling and cornering under normal circumstances. It seems counterintuitive, but offroad racing vehicles are typically set up with fairly soft suspensions. This helps absorb the bumps and also helps preserve the driver's kidneys during a long race!
I test drove a F-150 and didn't care for the handling - it felt much more "boaty" than the Silverado. This may have something to do with softer shocks and/or springs. I haven't driven the Tundra, but the Silverado is by far the best handling full size pickup (in stock form) that I have ever driven.
The Tundra was AWFUL. In my opinion the only way that could happen is with a lot of frame flex, which doesn't surprise me based on my personal observations of the undercarriage and frame of the Tundra. There has got to be a weird harmonic and frame flex that allows the bed to wobble like that. Either that, or the bed is not anchored very well to the frame. Yikes! Glad I didn't buy one.