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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV

#7117 of 7147 Re: Forum Creation [ateixeira] by steve_ HOST Nov 05, 2009 (4:37 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 2:28 pm) Ah, the Forester and the Outlander have been in the category list for a while here, so y'all aren't off topic. But there are other CUVs to yak about too.   Like the Accord Crosstour.   /hint Replies to this message: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 5:59 pm) tenpin288 (Nov 05, 2009 7:19 pm) ateixeira (Nov 06, 2009 8:28 am)
#7118 of 7147 Re: Forum Creation [steve_] by ateixeira Nov 05, 2009 (5:59 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Nov 05, 2009 4:37 pm) It's hard to ignore that styling. It looks like a pregnant Accord. Plus, the AWD model starts at $34,730 (EX-L), which is steep.   An H6 Outback Ltd runs about $3k less, at $31.7k. It's a tad smaller, but probably the best value of the 3.   As usual, Toyota gives you 1,000 a-la-carte optinos. Venza V6 AWD, add Comfort Package for heated leather seats and EJ sound for 6CD/Bluetooth, then SR for the sunroof, and you get $34,240. IMHO it's the best looking of the bunch. Haven't driven it yet but I've heard the huge wheels give it a brittle ride, odd for a Toyota. Replies to this message: tenpin288 (Nov 05, 2009 7:19 pm) ateixeira (Nov 06, 2009 8:28 am)
#7119 of 7147 Re: Forum Creation [ateixeira] by tenpin288 Nov 05, 2009 (7:19 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 5:59 pm) Funny you should mention the Venza. There is a review and story over on msnbc.com that is somewhat less than flattering about the Venza and Toyota in general.   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33605151/ns/business-autos/   In short, here is what they have to say about the Venza:   Pros: Comfortable ride, superlative fuel economy for its size, the brand name that makes grizzled baby boomers behave like irrational adolescents   Cons: Insultingly cheap interior, lousy steering, useless automatic headlights   Verdict: Toyota is off its game and needs to refocus on giving customers more than they expect rather than thinking they won’t notice that they are being shortchanged.     Replies to this message: ateixeira (Nov 06, 2009 8:28 am)
#7120 of 7147 Re: Forum Creation [tenpin288] by ateixeira Nov 06, 2009 (8:28 am)
Replying to: tenpin288 (Nov 05, 2009 7:19 pm) That's very significant - it means Toyota cut their advertising budget on MSNBC.   Just kidding.   I was under the impression that the ride was not good. Maybe they tested a model with smaller rims?   Also, the interior looks fine to me. It has a padded dash and far better materials than what you'd find in, for instance, the RAV4. Maybe they have much higher expectations in that price range?   I'm not surprised about the steering - my Sienna is number than my Wii-mote. The weight is right, but there is zero feedback.   Also, I do think that the mere volume of production Toyota has can make quality control suffer.   I thought that review was pretty harsh. And how old is that article? He compares it to Pacifica and Taurus X. Venza doesn't even offer a 3rd row.   CR gave it a pretty good score overall, but the Outback scored higher (even though they tested the 4 cylinder OB).
#7121 of 7147 Re: Forum Creation [ateixeira] by chelentano Nov 09, 2009 (1:16 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 2:28 pm) >> The OP asked about the Forester and the Santa Fe, I don't know how we got on the Outlander. My response was on topic.   My response was on topic too. Post 7060: user yvr1 posted: "...Forester is the best of the bunch when it comes to compact SUV's... Can anyone persuade me otherwise?"   So I responded: "That’s easy. The 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander GT is a much better crossover then Forester... " then I listed my points why. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Nov 09, 2009 1:24 pm)
#7122 of 7147 Re: Forum Creation [chelentano] by ateixeira Nov 09, 2009 (1:24 pm)
Replying to: chelentano (Nov 09, 2009 1:16 pm) Let's move on...I already have.
#7123 of 7147 2011 explorer and 2011 grand cherokee by jayrider Nov 16, 2009 (8:50 am)
Anyone heard reviews on these updated models. Will definitely visit the showrooms when they debut.
#7124 of 7147 IIHS' 2010 Top Safety Picks by ateixeira Nov 18, 2009 (12:24 pm)
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr111809.html   Midsize SUVs Dodge Journey Subaru Tribeca Volvo XC60 Volvo XC90   Small SUVs Honda Element Jeep Patriot with optional side torso airbags Subaru Forester Volkswagen Tiguan   The list shrunk substantially because this year they added the roof strength test as a requirement to make it. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Nov 18, 2009 1:17 pm) ateixeira (Nov 18, 2009 1:27 pm)
#7125 of 7147 Re: IIHS' 2010 Top Safety Picks [ateixeira] by thegraduate Nov 18, 2009 (1:17 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 18, 2009 12:24 pm) Interesting that the Element (an old design by this segment's standards) gets a top-pick while the CR-V does not. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Nov 18, 2009 1:27 pm)
#7126 of 7147 Re: IIHS' 2010 Top Safety Picks [thegraduate] by ateixeira Nov 18, 2009 (1:27 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 18, 2009 1:17 pm) I noticed that, too. 2 comments:   * Element has upright pillars, which may have helped.   * Honda said early on that they would seriously reinforce the A- and C-pillars since there is no B-pillar.

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